Kyle Brandt tells people to "pump the brakes" on calling Bryce Young a bust

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

Half-way clean pockets and open receivers have been few and far between also. Let's tell the truth.

I didn't say that. I'm simply asking for folks to honestly point out more than a few plays he's made that you wouldn't expect a basic NFL roster caliber QB to be able to make. That's the problem.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, grateflday said:

This is where I have been.  I wanted Stroud but at this point there is nothing we can do about it, the draft is over and there is no redo.  

Also a big Stroud fan, but yeah...

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, Soul Rebel said:

Ironically, we probably have our AJ Brown already here in Mingo....just need to be patient. 

that wouldn't be irony. 

you could say hopefully, coincidentally, or nothing at all.

Also he's not AJ Brown and he's not shown anything all year. 

[frankw]

23 minutes ago, LelouchBritannia said:

I don’t know when most people on this forum became a bunch of fuging whiners. 
 

it’s clear as day that we have a significant number of problems on offense. People much more adept at analyzing football than any of us  have consistently shown that.

BUT…BUT…WAAAA Bryce young isn’t CJ stroud. Who cares. We made the pick, he still has a tremendous amount of potential to be a great qb. He shas had some bad games and some good ones. But let’s just put it all on Bryce young.

Colts had the #32 pass defense and Bryce threw 3 picks, he must be the next Jimmy Clausen!!!! Just chill people. Dude is 7 games into his career. 

These takes are just as if not more obnoxious than the posts being complained about. Claiming some level of superiority because you lick boots and let people poo on your head while gladly asking for more does not make you pure. No one is required to simply be happy to be here and have a franchise when we're the biggest joke in the league.

Edited November 9, 2023 by frankw

[jamos14]

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

We scored the most points of the season with Andy Dalton and the same OL and WR's on the road.

You guys want to throw everything and the kitchen sink into the blame pile. I get it. It's tough to accept our #1 pick is playing so poorly. Cope if you must lash out and poo posts if it makes you feel better my guy.

Ok. 

Dalton is a better player right now, I have no issues with that.  

Bryce also his problems.  No issue saying that.  I'm just sick of there not being a real discussion about the team/personnel/etc. The other poo makes a huge difference.  A QB cannot succeed here currently.  Don't care who it is.

I poo all the ignorance.

 

So like I said, this chart is nice.  CJ's offense has some real talent at getting the ball deep and he takes advantage.   Bryce's offense has nothing and he isn't helping them either.   

It's easy to cherry pick.  

[frankw]

Just now, jamos14 said:

Ok. 

Dalton is a better player right now, I have no issues with that.  

Bryce also his problems.  No issue saying that.  I'm just sick of there not being a real discussion about the team/personnel/etc. The other poo makes a huge difference.  A QB cannot succeed here currently.  Don't care who it is.

I poo all the ignorance.

 

So like I said, this chart is nice.  CJ's offense has some real talent at getting the ball deep and he takes advantage.   Bryce's offense has nothing and he isn't helping them either.   

It's easy to cherry pick.  

Dalton is trash. Our #1 pick should be at minimum a push in comparison.

You say you want to talk about all the other factors and stop only critiquing the QB.

Then turn around and suggest CJ Stroud is playing with elite WR's.

Sir. His leading WR last weekend had barely 900 career yards over 5 seasons entering the game. You are coping hard.

[top dawg]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I didn't say that. I'm simply asking for folks to honestly point out more than a few plays he's made that you wouldn't expect a basic NFL roster caliber QB to be able to make. That's the problem.

He's made a few very good plays off script, and has thrown into some tight windows. You're acting like he hasn't done anything. The point is that you want to give him an NFL caliber O-line and better weapons in order to see more of those plays. At this point, he's looking kinda like a chicken with his head cut off, somewhat frenetic too much of the time, and the origin is really below par O-line play and no one that really scares anyone on the opposite side of the ball.

[Aussie Tank]

It’s Tua and Herbert all over again. We just gotta use the Dolphins as a blueprint 

[jamos14]

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

Dalton is trash. Our #1 pick should be at minimum a push in comparison.

You say you want to talk about all the other factors and stop only critiquing the QB.

Then turn around and suggest CJ Stroud is playing with elite WR's.

Sir. His leading WR last weekend had barely 900 career yards over 5 seasons entering the game. You are coping hard.

 

Stroud is outplaying Bryce. It's not close.  I'm not arguing that.

 

His situation(scheme, OL play, WR play) is 100000x better than Bryce's currently.   If you don't accept that, you are being willfully ignorant.

 

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, top dawg said:

He's made a few very good plays off script, and has thrown into some tight windows. You're acting like he hasn't done anything. The point is that you want to give him an NFL caliber O-line and better weapons in order to see more of those plays. At this point, he's looking kinda like a chicken with his head cut off, somewhat frenetic too much of the time, and the origin is really below par O-line play and no one that really scares anyone on the opposite side of the ball.

He's made a handful of really nice plays. He's made a lot more worrisome plays. There's a reason why it's becoming a topic of conversation even among the national media. Odds are at this point that he's gonna be a bust.

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, jamos14 said:

 

Stroud is outplaying Bryce. It's not close.  I'm not arguing that.

 

His situation(scheme, OL play, WR play) is 100000x better than Bryce's currently.   If you don't accept that, you are being willfully ignorant.

 

I think Stroud has better coaching for sure. Which is a damn shame considering we didn't even give DeMeco Ryans a sniff and our social team spent the whole offseason hyping up these dinosaurs on our staff.

His OL is better but not as much as some people claim. Our defense has been up and down at best and we roughed up CJ a good bit in our matchup. How did all that elite talent he supposedly is surrounded with look? The difference is even if he has an off game Stroud has the arm talent to make any throw he wants without putting his entire body into it. CJ is simply more naturally gifted. Everyone got to see that with their own two eyes on his game tape and now he is doing the same thing in the NFL.

I think you're leading with emotion instead  of logic and we've reached an impasse on this discussion. Enjoy the game tonight.

[top dawg]

21 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's made a handful of really nice plays. He's made a lot more worrisome plays. There's a reason why it's becoming a topic of conversation even among the national media. Odds are at this point that he's gonna be a bust.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I'm fairly sure that most rookies, even some HoFers are closer to Bryce Young's level of production and understanding than C.J. Stroud's. I'd also bet that their lines weren't as porous as ours. 

You've missed Brandt's (and others') whole point.

[top dawg]

22 minutes ago, frankw said:

I think Stroud has better coaching for sure. Which is a damn shame considering we didn't even give DeMeco Ryans a sniff and our social team spent the whole offseason hyping up these dinosaurs on our staff.

His OL is better but not as much as some people claim. Our defense has been up and down at best and we roughed up CJ a good bit in our matchup. How did all that elite talent he supposedly is surrounded with look? The difference is even if he has an off game Stroud has the arm talent to make any throw he wants without putting his entire body into it. CJ is simply more naturally gifted. Everyone got to see that with their own two eyes on his game tape and now he is doing the same thing in the NFL.

I think you're leading with emotion instead  of logic and we've reached an impasse on this discussion. Enjoy the game tonight.

"Elite talent?" He doesn't necessarily have elite talent, but it's proven to be a helluva lot better than ours. Any NFL analyst will tell you that. His weapons are legit.

[SmokinwithWilly]

25 minutes ago, frankw said:

I think Stroud has better coaching for sure. Which is a damn shame considering we didn't even give DeMeco Ryans a sniff and our social team spent the whole offseason hyping up these dinosaurs on our staff.

His OL is better but not as much as some people claim. Our defense has been up and down at best and we roughed up CJ a good bit in our matchup. How did all that elite talent he supposedly is surrounded with look? The difference is even if he has an off game Stroud has the arm talent to make any throw he wants without putting his entire body into it. CJ is simply more naturally gifted. Everyone got to see that with their own two eyes on his game tape and now he is doing the same thing in the NFL.

I think you're leading with emotion instead  of logic and we've reached an impasse on this discussion. Enjoy the game tonight.

Ryans declined our request for an interview. What does that tell you?