Adam Shefter on Pat McAfee show (From Monday)

[methodtoll]

For those wondering about the context of the OP, here is the link below of a summary:

Adam Shefter on the future of Carolina

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, PootieNunu said:

Fitt never deserved a chance and neither does Morgan. IF he dosent have the backbone to stand up and tell them they are making mistakes then he is signing off on the bullshit and just happy to be cashing those Tepper checks. 

Tired of yes men, get some real football people in here who are not going to bow down to the bosses every whim. 

Chances should be earned and so far he won't be missed either.

Tepper only hires yes men who sling BS for him. I can't identify one person inside the organization that doesn't fit that mold. I was hopping that was Morgan but his work with his friend this year was massive garbage. AT and Bell were the positives while the rest was all failures.

Training up people is a great philosophy...when there is a good environment for it. That is not what Tepper turned the Panthers into so there really isn’t a reason to pretend this time is different with Morgan.

Edited November 8, 2023 by Waldo

[4Corners]

Op not even Close with what Shef said

[Tr3ach]

12 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Because he's a football guy, first and foremost.  Secondly, he was recently added so this poo show isn't his bowel movement.

I could be mistaken but I believe he is mostly over the scouting of draft players and our drafts have been awful.  I like Dan Morgan, he was a beast when he played here and it makes a good story, but I'm tired of stories.  I want to win.

[Khaki Lackey]

10 hours ago, The Lobo said:

I thought it was the same old mcafee panthers talk: “Tepper isn’t patient blah blah blah” I swear everytime I hear them talk about Carolina, they say the same exact thing. “Tepper isn’t one to be patient”. Well, he was pretty patient with Rhule, should of fired him at the end of his first season. Is that how everyone thinks, Dave isn’t patient? 
 

 

Yeah, I've never understood where that narrative came from. He was also patient with Ron and Hurn-Dogg as well. Too much so, actually. Tepp's got a lot of flaws, but impatience isn't one of them,

[Waldo]

1 minute ago, Tr3ach said:

I could be mistaken but I believe he is mostly over the scouting of draft players and our drafts have been awful.  I like Dan Morgan, he was a beast when he played here and it makes a good story, but I'm tired of stories.  I want to win.

I thought Fritterer was the draft guy and Morgan was the pro guy. They are friends and built this year together at the hip...

[Tr3ach]

3 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I thought Fritterer was the draft guy and Morgan was the pro guy. They are friends and built this year together at the hip...

I could have it backwards but pro personnel moves and draft moves have all been bad so it doesnt especially matter I dont guess.

[jayboogieman]

7 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I thought Fritterer was the draft guy and Morgan was the pro guy. They are friends and built this year together at the hip...

[CarolinaRideorDie]

12 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Fitterer is as good as gone.  Hopefully they name Morgan the new GM.

I don't know if Morgan is upgrade, he has been really close with Fitt and Fitt seems to depend on Morgan's input a lot, at least from what we have seen during the Behind the scenes during the Panther's confidential episodes. I'm interested to see a dark horse candidate already in house, Adrian Wilson who came over from Arizona. 

[Waldo]

10 minutes ago, Tr3ach said:

I could have it backwards but pro personnel moves and draft moves have all been bad so it doesnt especially matter I dont guess.

Yup. Again, they are close friends so it was all done together.

Just saying no to the Sanders contract would have given me pause but Bell and AT are not enough for me to justify the rest. They both epically missjudged the oline situation in a scheme swap. That is nail for me personally.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Okay. so don't give the guy shot who has been in football his entire life over a dude that stumbled into football.  If I remember correctly, Fitterer had a baseball background that became a scout and move from baseball to football.  Morgan has literally lived his whole life in the game. So I think he has a leg up on his boss.  It wouldn't be the first time a junior member of a organization could outperform their boss if only given a chance. 

Also, you aren't going to find a replacement mid-season if Fitterer is let go.  Who's going to make personnel decisions or will Tepper take on that role?  That's right, most likely Dan Morgan.

You people have to think sometimes. 

Fitterer has over 20 years of experience as a football scout and personnel guy. Morgan has a little over 10. And playing the game doesn't necessarily make you a good talent scout. Those are different skill sets.

Their respective areas are of expertise are different. The vast majority of Fitterer's experience is in college scouting. Morgan has spent more time on the pro scouting side of things. That's his concentration with the Panthers.

Perhaps most worth noting though, Morgan credits Fitterer for basically teaching him everything he knows about being a personnel guy.

[Ricky Spanish]

2 hours ago, methodtoll said:

For those wondering about the context of the OP, here is the link below of a summary:

Adam Shefter on the future of Carolina

Yeah, that's nothing new. That's just restating what was said in the pat McAfee interview on Monday. It's all speculation with nothing concrete and nothing new. 

Big ol' nothing burger. 

I won't lock the thread because the discussion is nice, but I'll edit OP to let people know.

[Khyber53]

14 hours ago, 45catfan said:

Fitterer is as good as gone.  Hopefully they name Morgan the new GM.

Before we jump all over the Dan Morgan bandwagon... he's been part of this "rebuild", too. Back in his playing days I called him Mushy-head Morgan, partly because of his concussion history and greatly because he just made bone headed decisions. He's a dinosaur throwback Jock who terrorized some teammates and even ended the career of one of our draft picks by knocking the hell out of him in training camp -- just because he thought he needed to do that. 

His Panther connection and connection to Scott Fitterer got him this job, but he needs to be cleaned out with the same broom that takes Fitt. 

I hate to say it, but this thing needs to be blown up from the top down, from GM and HC to  the training staff and scouting groups. if not we're looking at continuing for 20 more years of wandering around pointlessly in the desert. 

[*FreeFua*]

Just now, Khyber53 said:

Before we jump all over the Dan Morgan bandwagon... he's been part of this "rebuild", too. Back in his playing days I called him Mushy-head Morgan, partly because of his concussion history and greatly because he just made bone headed decisions. He's a dinosaur throwback Jock who terrorized some teammates and even ended the career of one of our draft picks by knocking the hell out of him in training camp -- just because he thought he needed to do that. 

His Panther connection and connection to Scott Fitterer got him this job, but he needs to be cleaned out with the same broom that takes Fitt. 

I hate to say it, but this thing needs to be blown up from the top down, from GM and HC to  the training staff and scouting groups. if not we're looking at continuing for 20 more years of wandering around pointlessly in the desert. 

Morgan and Fitterer are really good friends. I’m sure they think very similar and agreed on a lot of the moves being made. 

Like you, I want Morgan gone with Scott.