REPORT: Panthers turned down trade offers for Brian Burns from at least 5 teams

[Bear Hands]

One of my biggest problems is that he's averaging around 75 snap % per game.  We still don't play him like a true 3-down lineman.  That in itself is such a big problem.  Should be mid to high 80s.  He'll go out of games from stretches anywhere from 3 to 5 snaps in a row. 

[WhoKnows]

6 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

The haul on CMC was fantastic, regardless of what we did to squander the picks.

It would have been very unwise to try a waiting game on an NFL RB. Not sure if you have noticed but that market is very, very poor.

It really wasn’t. The top pick was pick 61. It’s end of the 2nd. SF is paying $10.6M a year for an MVP candidate. We got a late 2nd as the key pick in the trade. The Rams 2nd that they offered ended up being pick 36. That’s would have been better. For some reason, Fitt overestimated who bad SF would be and underestimated who bad the Rams would end up. 

[kungfoodude]

Just now, WhoKnows said:

It really wasn’t. The top pick was pick 61. It’s end of the 2nd. SF is paying $10.6M a year for an MVP candidate. We got a late 2nd as the key pick in the trade. The Rams 2nd that they offered ended up being pick 36. That’s would have been better. For some reason, Fitt overestimated who bad SF would be and underestimated who bad the Rams would end up. 

I really think you don't have any grasp of how the NFL RB market is at the moment. 

[WhoKnows]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I really think you don't have any grasp of how the NFL RB market is at the moment. 

CMC isn’t just another RB.

[lightsout]

5 hours ago, lightsout said:

I wish I could afford All 22 so I could go snap by snap, so YouTube highlights will have to do.

 

 

 

First snap we see from Burns is a boot away from him. 

Second snap, he gets absolutely worked and forced to his inside knee. 

Third snap, quick hitter, no conclusions to draw.

Fourth snap, works/gets worked way too far upfield. About 9 yards deep before he tries to pivot and spin out, and doesn't.

5: coverage

6: doesn't allow himself to go upfield too far, got handled by his lone blocker.

7: goal line, allows himself to get washed inside. Granted it appears we were selling out for the sneak or an A gap hit, so this may have been on the call rather than the performance. 

8: decent off the line. Doesn't get home but it's a quick hitter. If this is a 5-7 step drop, he might get there. 

9: sack. He gets isolated to the RB who can't pass pro well and Burns is good enough that a bad pass protecting RB isn't gonna stop him. We showed 6, brought 4....and they didn't slide protection to his side. Now this can be a mistake by the offense...or a "fug it, it's supposed to be a quick hitter, Burns won't get there even if we ignore him". Who knows? My guess is the shown blitz made them protect inside and Burns had a free run to the backfield with the RB being the only speed bump. Good play by Burns regardless.

10: dropped in coverage

11: comes off the edge, then tries to bend inside because he couldn't beat the tackle, which allows Stroud outside, which leads to a first down throw and catch. If Burns stays edge, this doesn't happen. 

12: they ran trap at him. He gets a tad too far upfield but he's a good athlete, adjusts, goes around the pulling blocker looking for him, and has a chance to stop the play in the backfield. Misses the tackle. EVERY level of football I've ever seen talked about, when you have trap coming at you, you "wrong arm" (use your outside arm to rip through the blocker, as they want you outside, so you go inside to disrupt the play) and disrupt, maybe make the tackle, or you force them to bounce where pursuit is naturally coming. This is bad football by Burns on a play where he was relying on his athleticism and forgot tackle fundamentals. RB spins, stays inside, and gets a big gain. Burns had two ways to prevent this (wrong arm it or make the play he had a chance at) and failed. This is a Burns-caused play.

13: they run boot again but the effort from Burns is fuging awful off the line. Like I'd chew a high school kid for that kind of effort. Just piss poor.

14: busted play where the backside corner should've made the play, but again Burns is catching at the line instead of attacking and closing off. Literally just watched the play. Now, yes it went opposite side of the field, but all OL movement says this was coming to his side. He's not maintaining outside leverage, he has nobody blocking him. He is just flat footed at the line looking down the line. Piss poor.

15: another bad run play by Burns in the RedZone. He's not outside contain this play, the corner is. He does good initially and then tries to get upfield...which allows him to get washed out, RB cuts it inside and gets it to the 1. Burns stays down pressure, keeps his outside arm free, he can force it wide and pursue. This is bad, and it's on Burns once again because his play literally created the hole. Stay down pressure there and then it's the LB/S fault for not filling properly and getting downhill.

16: there was a missed goal line play that was a sneak, so we're skipping and going to the next play he's in which is where he gets disrupted by the TE delay route and bounced in and blocked. Nothing of note.

17: a play I can't tell if it's Burns or not but if it is...oof. bad.

18: arguably gets held, regardless gets a bit too deep here. 

 

There are 30 snaps not seen here that Burns is on the field for, but none of those made the highlight video I watched. So just over 1/3 of his snaps were on there and the above is....not great. His lone sack could've been anybody that can be a RB 1-on-1 to the QB and the rest is expected play from and DE/OLB or bad. 

Not conclusive, no, but I focus my watching of Panthers games on our guys, not the opposing QB. Burns is lacking severely for me. But I'm not coach or GM so who the fug am I?

 

 

It's almost like a replay from last week that I went through here.

 

Burns. Ain't. That. Dude.

[kungfoodude]

23 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

CMC isn’t just another RB.

Yeah, hence why we got so much for him. No other RB would get that.

[stratocatter]

On 11/5/2023 at 11:25 AM, kungfoodude said:

The haul on CMC was fantastic, regardless of what we did to squander the picks.

It would have been very unwise to try a waiting game on an NFL RB. Not sure if you have noticed but that market is very, very poor.

Threy were that one buyer you hope is out there. I suppose there could have been another, which is what you need to get the price up.

[carpanfan96]

On 11/4/2023 at 8:01 PM, falconlynx said:

Yeah, and then you can realize we have the franchise tag. 

He won't play on the tag, he almost held out this year. He'd definitely hold out til traded or signed long term. 

[carpanfan96]

On 11/5/2023 at 4:10 PM, Bear Hands said:

One of my biggest problems is that he's averaging around 75 snap % per game.  We still don't play him like a true 3-down lineman.  That in itself is such a big problem.  Should be mid to high 80s.  He'll go out of games from stretches anywhere from 3 to 5 snaps in a row. 

Most of the highest paid dlinemen don't play but 70-75% of snaps. Last season he played 88% of snaps for the team though which is incredibly high. 

[Bear Hands]

5 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

Most of the highest paid dlinemen don't play but 70-75% of snaps. Last season he played 88% of snaps for the team though which is incredibly high. 

Yeah there's been some abnormally high ones this year like Hutchinson and Byron Young (rookie) in the high 80s so perception was a bit skewed.  Most top guys are in that high 70s to low 80s range.

[Toomers]

24 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

He won't play on the tag, he almost held out this year. He'd definitely hold out til traded or signed long term. 

  He can’t be traded until he signs. Which he won’t unless another team agrees to his terms, while knowing they have to give up two firsts if the Panthers don’t match. I’m not seeing how the Panthers get anything of value in return at this point. 

[Tr3ach]

1 hour ago, carpanfan96 said:

He won't play on the tag, he almost held out this year. He'd definitely hold out til traded or signed long term. 

Exactly,  and then we have even less leverage and his value plummets.

[NorthTryon]

On 11/4/2023 at 6:48 PM, countryboi said:

Im ok with this, people obsess trading known assets for imaginary players, at some point you need to develop and pay your players and stop acting like a farm system for the 49ers.

Exactly, if we become the Pittsburgh Pirates of the NFL, I really am done watching this league. I have started to notice that there are a few teams who have built well through draft and are getting huge assets from teams with one or two decent players for peanuts. How can the Commodes really act like they are trying to win giving away their two young pass rushers for a 2nd and a 3rd? That would be like us trading Peppers for a 3rd and Rucker for a 2nd in 05 to New England. 

I firmly believe we could've kept all of our picks, players including the Darnold picks and if we sucked, would still be in a position this upcoming draft to pick our franchise QB. But Mr. Trade picks just to trade seemingly started giving away players for a rebuild and then this summer, boom the narrative that we could be a playoff team. Faaaaaace Palm!