REPORT: Panthers turned down trade offers for Brian Burns from at least 5 teams

[CRA]

19 minutes ago, falconlynx said:

All of these were interesting that don’t feel like the Burns situation so far.

Peppers was a multi-tag storyline where he essentially said he wasn’t going to play anywhere but a big market…

Star didn’t want to be here at all and the Panthers didn’t seem to value his future fit. 

Norman was Gettleman making a really bad decision. Just absolute stupidity, but we may have made the right decision in hindsight as Norman’s play rapidly fell off a cliff outside of the right scheme fit. 

 

Every situation is always its owns story though. 

And Peppers wanted a deal that never came when he wanted it….and then didn’t.  Time and minds change.  

[tukafan21]

4 minutes ago, CRA said:

Every situation is always its owns story though. 

 

And letting Burns walk for free after turning down trades at both deadlines would be maybe the most absurd story in FA history.

Fitterer would get DESTROYED in the media for it, it would cost him his job and nobody in the NFL would touch him for any front office job, let alone a GM again.

That's why he'll be 100% tagged if they can't come to a deal before then (honestly not sure he can be traded until tagged, doubt it).

[Jay Roosevelt]

Atlanta? Surely not.

[lightsout]

16 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Anybody who says Burns impact is non existence,  or Minimal doesn't understand football.    

 

Awful take. Dude is a threat offenses account for. They don't fear him though. Has there been a single game where we went "oh fug he's taking poo over"? No. Not one. 

Elite level pass rushers have those games. Every one of them. Myles Garrett and Micah Parsons are planned for and game planned around. Mack, Watt, all the big names that Burns is likely trying to say he's in the same level of talent as, they're dominant and dangerous each snap, at least on passing downs.

Burns gets a mention of "hey, just don't give him an easy time. Don't fug up and we'll be fine". They run at him. They play action him. They do whatever they want in their playbook because as long as the guy blocking him doesn't make a mistake, Burns is probably doing nothing. I wanna say half his sacks this year are from Luvu blitzes but I can't confirm that. Frankie is an impact guy. Frankie is a guy offenses scheme around. Frankie will fug your day up. Burns aint that guy and never has been.

[ChibCU]

Just because the market says he's "worth" something, it doesn't mean we need to be the ones who fall in line with recent contracts. There's a lot of mid-level roster value you can use in place of that one position. A deeper defensive line can make up for the loss of Burns, and for once maybe we'll have some fresh rushers at the end of games. You've seen our defense tends to get gassed and become less of a threat as games go deeper.

Edit: There's also something that needs to be said for hedging against risk of injury. Placing lots of salary cap into one player sets up greater risk to where you're having to pick up scraps mid-season when a player goes out.

Edited November 5, 2023 by ChibCU

[ECHornet]

The two likely outcomes in my mind:

1) Non-exclusive franchise tag

2) Draft day trade to acquire a stud WR (Nabers please)

[Stuart Smith]

1 hour ago, countryboi said:

yall always lessen the contributions of Burns, while also complaining that we should have traded him for 8 firsts.

If as many teams called about trading for him he might have more value than many fans think. If Burns and Brown were not here we would have to do a rebuild on defense when we need to add offensive pieces. 

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, lightsout said:

 

Awful take. Dude is a threat offenses account for. They don't fear him though. Has there been a single game where we went "oh fug he's taking poo over"? No. Not one. 

Elite level pass rushers have those games. Every one of them. Myles Garrett and Micah Parsons are planned for and game planned around. Mack, Watt, all the big names that Burns is likely trying to say he's in the same level of talent as, they're dominant and dangerous each snap, at least on passing downs.

Burns gets a mention of "hey, just don't give him an easy time. Don't fug up and we'll be fine". They run at him. They play action him. They do whatever they want in their playbook because as long as the guy blocking him doesn't make a mistake, Burns is probably doing nothing. I wanna say half his sacks this year are from Luvu blitzes but I can't confirm that. Frankie is an impact guy. Frankie is a guy offenses scheme around. Frankie will fug your day up. Burns aint that guy and never has been.

Put Burns on the Browns or Cowboys defense and he's going to put up video game numbers

A pass rusher can only be so good when their team is constantly playing from behind, doesn't have other pass rushers, and struggles in the secondary.

Teams can focus their blocking gameplan on Burns, they have no fear of anyone else on the defense.  And when our DB's can't cover well enough to force the QB to hold the ball for that extra second, it makes it hard for any pass rusher to get home before the ball is away.

I'm not saying Burns is on Parsons or Garrett's level, but the defense Burns plays on absolutely hurts his ability to get sacks on numerous levels.

[pantherclaw]

 

Panther fans - Burns hasn't earned it.  He has no impact on the game/on the defense. His production can be replaced with a kitty cat. 

Yet.....

5 teams feel he has major impact and has more than earned it. 

fuging comedy gold. 

 

Keep this circle jerk going guys,  I wouldn't want reality to sink in for any of you. 

[pantherclaw]

Teams don't fear him? 

He doesn't make an impact on the game? 

He's not elite. 

He's not a piece ya build a defense around. 

These takes are seriously flawed. 

[ECHornet]

2 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Teams don't fear him? 

He doesn't make an impact on the game? 

He's not elite. 

He's not a piece ya build a defense around. 

These takes are seriously flawed. 

Relax man. We just hope to pay him the $24-26mil per year he’s hopefully worth instead of 30+.

Edited November 5, 2023 by ECHornet

[LinvilleGorge]

We're 23-50 with Burns. We're currently 31st in the league in average points per game allowed and have never finished in the top half of the league in average points allowed during Burns' career.

Obviously a huge difference maker.

[Bama Panther]

Many people make the argument that you need a QB on a rookie deal to be able to field a competitive team. The reason they make this argument is that having a rookie deal for a typically highly compensated position frees up money to spend elsewhere. 

The same holds true for a DE as well. A DE on a rookie deal frees up money to spend elsewhere. While Burns has value, I don’t personally believe he has $30M+ per year value (and I don’t think five teams trying to trade for him shows he has that value either, as we don’t know what type of contract they would offer him).

In the case of arguing Fitterer made a mistake not taking the Rams deal last year, you have to look at the return value. Absent the Bryce trade, it would have been two more players (likely at highly compensated positions) on rookie deals.

That trade would have potentially led to three traditionally highly compensated positions on rookie deals with a fifth year option for each. That is too much value to turn down, despite the unknown of who the first round picks would have netted. 

Another interesting consideration is that one of those firsts could have likely been used in the trade for #1, thereby saving DJ Moore and giving Bryce a #1 WR. 

[TLGPanthersFan]

54 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Teams don't fear him? 

He doesn't make an impact on the game? 

He's not elite. 

He's not a piece ya build a defense around. 

These takes make complete sense. 

FIFY