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Panthers Grant TMJ Permission to Seek Trade


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3 minutes ago, chknwing said:

imagine being a player and knowing you suck so bad even a team full of suck doesnt want you

I wonder if his agent was honest with him? Like dude, if any team is willing to offer anything it's going to be a late round pick. You go there and suck and they'll cut you given their minimal investment. If the Panthers aren't considering cutting you then you might wanna just sit there and collect game checks.

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2 minutes ago, frankw said:

At this point Scott Fitterer better have one foot out the door already. His drafts are booooooty.

This is what we got for Trading Down 3 years ago for TMJ

First we traded down and received 
(83) Tremble
(204) Shi Smith

Then got (89) which was used for
(109)
(158) Daviyon Nixon 
2022 4th- Sam Darnold

(109) was used for
(126) Chubba
(166) Keith Taylor
(232) Phil Hoskins

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9 minutes ago, ncfan said:

This is what we got for Trading Down 3 years ago for TMJ

First we traded down and received 
(83) Tremble
(204) Shi Smith

Then got (89) which was used for
(109)
(158) Daviyon Nixon 
2022 4th- Sam Darnold

(109) was used for
(126) Chubba
(166) Keith Taylor
(232) Phil Hoskins

For all his moves we are a worse team every season. Absurd incompetence.

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36 minutes ago, ncfan said:

This is what we got for Trading Down 3 years ago for TMJ

First we traded down and received 
(83) Tremble
(204) Shi Smith

Then got (89) which was used for
(109)
(158) Daviyon Nixon 
2022 4th- Sam Darnold

(109) was used for
(126) Chubba
(166) Keith Taylor
(232) Phil Hoskins

Passed on a lot of great players. This forum went absolutely gaga over fitterer for this draft because they finally went and did what people wanted them to do:

move down, stockpile lots of late picks, loads of cheap contracts

went as expected. You don’t build a great team by having copious amounts of late picks. 9 dimes don’t equal a dollar.

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