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Some outside perspective on Bryce

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Former Vikings GM and NFL scout Rick Spielman shares his thoughts on Bryce’s game against Miami, says he “has no doubt Bryce will be a very good quarterback in this league.” Bryce analysis starts at about 1:20.

Bonus coverage, gives his take from a GM’s perspective on the Tepper situation “the owner is the boss… you do what you’re told.” Yikes. Starts at 3:50

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The more I watch the film breakdowns from MIA the more hopeful I am in Young long term with the right kind of scheme.  I am worried about his deep ball, but he has some impressive anticipation overall, overall good pocket movement (less on display vs MIA tbh), and seems to be consistently making the right read.

Also holy crap are our receivers / their routes / concepts atrocious looking.

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7 minutes ago, Car123 said:

We need to bring Steve Smith in to whip our wide receivers into shape. Literally!

It's funny you mention this because there are so many catches that our receivers make where they're just run down a few yards later, and I imagine Smitty just breaking tackles or running right past those defenders half the time.

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Yet another example of the issues with Carolina is not Bryce nor the selection, moving forward. 
 

OL inconsistency, no support at WR/RB until last week, vanilla playcalling and scheming, injuries all around that have exposed our depth and awful day 2 & 3 drafting.

9 will be just fine.

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Bryce is gonna be fine.  I have seen many instances of him showing that he can be a top level QB in the NFL.  He just need help.  All QBs need help.  Hes getting destroyed multiple times a game due to our atrocious line play.  Hes got a bunch of jag-offs at WR outside of AT.  Miles Sanders has been god awful at RB.  At the end of the day hes a rookie, and he cannot yet do it all by himself.  But, after watching the film breakdown after each game, he IS improving week to week.  He is showing very good accuracy and anticipation on a lot of throws.  

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Bryce is gonna be fine.  I have seen many instances of him showing that he can be a top level QB in the NFL.  He just need help.  All QBs need help.  Hes getting destroyed multiple times a game due to our atrocious line play.  Hes got a bunch of jag-offs at WR outside of AT.  Miles Sanders has been god awful at RB.  At the end of the day hes a rookie, and he cannot yet do it all by himself.  But, after watching the film breakdown after each game, he IS improving week to week.  He is showing very good accuracy and anticipation on a lot of throws.  

I really can't say our receivers are bad. I've seen Chark look very good in Jacksonville and in Detroit once he got on the field. What has been the difference here? Play calling? Lack of a true WR1? Probably both.

As for Mingo, he's a rookie. I don't see where people are really being fair about him. I think the lack of a 1 is slowing him down as well (along with play calling). I'm not going to limit him this early, but for me his upside was never going to be about separation, but about winning the 50-50 balls with his physicality. If you think about it, that's exactly what Tee Higgins does because he's not an elite separator either (kind of like Alshon Jeffrey). At the end of the day, it's much too early to be labelling him (as JAG or anything really). He's a rookie that needs to learn and grow.

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2 minutes ago, top dawg said:

I really can't say our receivers are bad. I've seen Chark look very good in Jacksonville and in Detroit once he got on the field. What has been the difference here? Play calling? Lack of a true WR1? Probably both.

As for Mingo, he's a rookie. I don't see where people are really being fair about him. I think the lack of a 1 is slowing him down as well (a long with play calling). I'm not going to limit him this early, but for me his upside was never going to be about separation, but about winning the 50-50 balls with his physicality. If you think about it, that's exactly what Tee Higgins does because he's not an elite separator either (kind of like Alshon Jeffrey). At the end of the day, it's much too early to be labelling him (as JAG or anything really). He's a rookie that needs to learn and grow.

IDK man.  Bryce has shown with Theilen that if you are open he will feed you that ball.  I have not seen that with anybody but AT, because hes usually open.  There are so many plays, if you go back and watch the film, where all our WRs are just blanketed by the coverage.  We have nobody who can just "out athlete" the DBs.  Everything has to click perfectly for us to get any sort of explosive play in the passing game.  And I think that comes down to numerous factors.  Playcalling, situational awareness, lack of explosiveness at WR, the O-line, Bryce not hitting them on  the off chance someone IS open.  

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IDK man.  Bryce has shown with Theilen that if you are open he will feed you that ball.  I have not seen that with anybody but AT, because hes usually open.  There are so many plays, if you go back and watch the film, where all our WRs are just blanketed by the coverage.  We have nobody who can just "out athlete" the DBs.  Everything has to click perfectly for us to get any sort of explosive play in the passing game.  And I think that comes down to numerous factors.  Playcalling, situational awareness, lack of explosiveness at WR, the O-line, Bryce not hitting them on  the off chance someone IS open.  

I can appreciate that. I failed to mention Bryce, but he is perhaps a "problem" too, but he's still learning as well: not only is he learning the speed of the game--what he can and cannot do, but I truly believe that he's still learning the receivers (as strange as that may sound). I think that all of it's just fuging with the chemistry of them all. Hopefully some things will start to smooth out and gel with the play calling by our OC and we'll see more chemistry. I can't promise it, but that's the hope...

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