QB School - Bryce Young vs Miami

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

So 14:50 is where he attempts he deep pass to Chark to those who are interested.  He has to rush it because he OG is worthless and gets hit at the end of his motion.  However it was an overthrow by about 4-5 yards.  If he could have held it for one more split second it would have been nice.  This tells me he is capable of hitting deep throws, he needs a decent interior OL to do it regularly, but the arm talent to get the ball there was fine just rushed it causing an overthrow.  

Don't let facts get in the way of trolls' narratives (which are basically tired lies).

Edited October 17, 2023 by top dawg

[Jackie Lee]

8 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

There is no way to know that. Dalton looked good one game. How did he play last year with the Saints?

82 pff, ranked around 20th in most qb lists. Bryce has a 51 pff and ranked 31st on nfl's site

[AceBoogie]

23 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Mahomes, but he has Kelce. Honestly it might be Stroud AKA he that shall not be named…

I’ve seen his guys make plays that aren’t being made here. 

[AceBoogie]

26 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

They all do but I think Bryce probably needs a Tua or Purdy situation. Elite weapons all over the place with an offensive wunderkind Manning the play sheet. That's really hard to replicate.

I think that would maximize his potential, but if you just dropped Diggs into this offense my guess is that it looks different 

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

82 pff, ranked around 20th in most qb lists. Bryce has a 51 pff and ranked 31st on nfl's site

I watched our defense handle him just fine and we weren’t very good in week 18. He was signed to be a backup. Assuming how things would turn out with different players under center us just an assumption and 20th out of 32nd isn’t good for a seasoned veteran QB. 

[ForJimmy]

9 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

I’ve seen his guys make plays that aren’t being made here. 

They both have better HCs so I’m sure their players are in better positions to maximize their skills. 

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, frankw said:

I think you misread the post from the jump. It wasn't an attack on you. I was simply stating that right now Young has probably at best an average or below average NFL arm. He's only 22 and that could change. But the situation is the situation currently. It's difficult to reconcile with the fact that's what we traded up to at number one overall. I don't like it either but it's a reality I'm going to accept for the time being.

If Bryce had a "below average" arm, then all the scouting reports would have said so. If he couldn't throw deep then he wouldn't have been able to do it at Alabama.

[Loyalty4Life]

Good grief.  JT has said it in virtually every video he's done of Bryce.  The Panthers, no matter what PR BS they told the media before the season, are not putting Bryce in position to showcase what he can do.

I honestly don't know if he can throw the deep ball in the NFL because the combination of playcalling, oline protection and offensive scheme are not setting up those opportunities.    No team just decides, hey we need to take some deep shots and randomly throws some into the gameplan. 

You have to be able to protect your QB and have the time to throw them.  I should say that x3.

Even in the play to Chark when Chark beat his man our oline could not pick up the stunt which we have struggled with all year and Bryce has a free runner right in his face.  JT was exactly right, he threw it and quickly bailed to protect himself because of the rushing d-linemen we didn't block at all coming full speed right at him. 

Getting lit up numerous times already each game and twice really badly earlier in that game is going to make anyone not want to lineup for another killshot.  

The first two hard hits he never saw coming but this one was easy for him to see.  On one hand I'd love for him to take the hit and throw a good pass.  On the other hand that's a good way to get seriously injured.  These guys are human.  I don't want my QB taking unblocked killshots unless it's playoffs or Superbowl. 

What I really want is for the freakin oline to not get beat like a drum.  Yeah, we've got backups at both guards spots and a line that isn't built for zone scheme pass blocking.  Here's a hell of an idea.  Don't go 5 wide.  Keep some extra guys in to block more often.  I know Frank wants to go all super WCO passing 80% of the time with 10 receivers all running routes and Bryce left alone to fend for himself.  It a miracle they leave him 5 blockers.

I fully expect us in our next game to use a lot more 2 TE sets.  Give Bryce more protection.  Run more to set up the pass.  When the run game is going and you're running out of heavier sets it's much easier to take long shots because you have more guys to block, teams worry about the run more and it's hella easy to move the pocket and roll Bryce out away from pressure and slide the line that way.  

There are all kinds of things from a scheme and playcalling standpoint we can do so that Bryce isn't left out on an island so f'n' much.  Frank wants his scheme to work so bad he's overlooking the fact that it's actually a detriment to Bryce and the team, not to mention we don't have the personal to run it.

Edited October 18, 2023 by Loyalty4Life

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Loyalty4Life said:

Good grief.  JT has said it in virtually every video he done of Bryce.  The Panthers, no matter what PR BS they told the media before the season, are not putting Bryce in position to showcase what he can do.

I honestly don't know if he can throw the deep ball in the NFL because the combination of playcalling, oline protection and offensive scheme are not setting up those opportunities.    No team just decides, hey we need to take some deep shots and randomly throws some into the gameplan. 

You have to be able to protect your QB and have the time to throw them.  I should say that x3.

Even in the play to Chark when Chark beat his man our oline could not pick up the stunt which we have struggled with all year and Bryce has a free runner right in his face.  JT was exactly right, he threw it and quickly bailed to protect himself because of the rushing d-linemen we didn't block at all coming full speed right at him. 

Getting lit up numerous times already each game and twice really badly earlier in that game is going to make anyone not want to lineup for another killshot.  

The first two hard hits he never saw coming but this one was easy for him to see.  On one hand I'd love from him to take the hit and throw a good pass.  On the other hand that's a good way to seriously injured.  These guys are human.  I don't want my QB taking unblocked killshots unless it's playoffs or Superbowl. 

What I really want is for the freakin oline to not get beat like a drum.  Yeah, we've got backup at both guards spots and a line that isn't built for zone scheme pass blocking.  Here's a hell of an idea.  Don't go 5 wide.  Keep some extra guys in to block more often.  I know Frank wants to go all super WCO passing 80% of the time with 10 receivers all running routes and Bryce left alone to fend for himself.  It a miracle they leave him 5 blockers.

I fully expect us in our next game to use a lot more 2 TE sets.  Give Bryce more protection.  Run more to set up the pass.  When the run game is going and you're running out of heavier sets it's much easier to take long shots because you have more guys to block, teams worry about the run more and it's hella easy to move the pocket and roll Bryce out away from pressure and slide the like that way.  

There are all kinds of things from a scheme and playcalling standpoint we can do so that Bryce isn't left out on an island so f'n' much.  Frank wants his scheme to work so bad he's overlooking the fact that it's actually a detriment to Bryce and the team, not to mention we don't have the personal to run it.

OL play around the league is at an all-time low. There are a handful of good OLs and every other OL is varying degrees of suck. The Panthers feel about middle of the pack amongst the suck crowd. If you want to watch truly bad, watch the Giants or Commanders.

[jfra78]

Bryce is perfect, everyone else sucks.  Only view you can have on this forum

[jfra78]

10 minutes ago, top dawg said:

If Bryce had a "below average" arm, then all the scouting reports would have said so. If he couldn't throw deep then he wouldn't have been able to do it at Alabama.

It was obvious on his pro day, but of course people overlooked it because he ran it and that was all that mattered.

[top dawg]

Just now, jfra78 said:

It was obvious on his pro day, but of course people overlooked it because he ran it and that was all that mattered.

All I know is that he threw deep passes at Alabama. 

Now maybe it was some Jedi Mind Trick or something, but I do believe that his arm is good enough to be a pro. 

[jfra78]

4 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

So 14:50 is where he attempts he deep pass to Chark to those who are interested.  He has to rush it because he OG is worthless and gets hit at the end of his motion.  However it was an overthrow by about 4-5 yards.  If he could have held it for one more split second it would have been nice.  This tells me he is capable of hitting deep throws, he needs a decent interior OL to do it regularly, but the arm talent to get the ball there was fine just rushed it causing an overthrow.  

He uses his whole body to throw deep unlike a strong arm QB who can just use his arm to throw deep.  

[top dawg]

5 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Bryce is perfect, everyone else sucks.  Only view you can have on this forum

No one ever said that Bryce was perfect. All we've said is that he's a rookie playing in an imperfect situation and really haven't seen an offense, route running, or protection that would play to his strengths (as little or as weak as some think that they may be).