Let the John Fox Naysayers suckit

[Squirrel]

If, if, if, that's stupid. I'm sure there are two games we lost that could have been won "IF" something slightly different had happened. That's the way it works. It's dumb to sit around and wonder "if"

Funny he didnt type one "if".

[Pumpkin Eater]

That's because he didn't type a complete sentence.

[ShutDwn]

Everyone belived Carr was a good back up. We all thought it has to be Houston. So I can't hold Fox or the FO responsible for that bust.

Do you think Del Rio is a good coach? I do. And I'm not going to hold his teams injuries against the coach for a down season.

Look at NO this year, What would have the Saints been like had they been healthy? I guess we will season how Payton responses to a banged up season.

So, just like You don't bench a QB due to injury you don't fire the coach because half the team is on IR.

Fox has proved year after injury riddled year his is one of the best coaches in the league, and as long as he wants the job, I'm glad to call him the Coach of the Carolina Panthers. And I think the Richardson's feel the same way.

Injuries aren't an excuse, and it is the teams own fault that we didn't have a back up. It was wishful thinking that Carr was a good backup, and the Panthers didn't believe that anyway, they never wanted to play him that quickly, they thought he might be good in a while of sitting and just practicing.

We haven't been hit that badly by injuries, other than 04 our team has endured the normal amount of injuries.

03- SB

04- lose smith

05- NFCCG

06- not that many injuries this year, just crappy play

07- lose Jake

The injury argument only makes me believe that Fox hasn't done much when Smith or Delhomme is out. Which then makes me think that it is more about those two than Fox.

[Upper Deck West End Zone]

I'm glad this thread exists. It's not always pretty but who cares? We're 12-4 and we have a home playoff game. Anything beyond this point is a bonus.

It's interesting to note that of the 53 man active roster, 26 players are draft choices.

Yes, Hurney and Fox have missed on some players but most teams would consider the stat above to be a clear indicator of success.

I'm listening to Sirius and at least half the teams are in head coaching/front office chaos right now. I think we'll lose Davidson in a couple of years if we continue to be successful.

[2jakefansinva]

Injuries aren't an excuse, and it is the teams own fault that we didn't have a back up. It was wishful thinking that Carr was a good backup, and the Panthers didn't believe that anyway, they never wanted to play him that quickly, they thought he might be good in a while of sitting and just practicing.

We haven't been hit that badly by injuries, other than 04 our team has endured the normal amount of injuries.

03- SB

04- lose smith

05- NFCCG

06- not that many injuries this year, just crappy play

07- lose Jake

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The injury argument only makes me believe that Fox hasn't done much when Smith or Delhomme is out. Which then makes me think that it is more about those two than Fox.

Isn't 06 the year we lost our stating LT, MLB and C in the first game? If so, then you're right....not many but, pretty damn significant.

[Jangler]

The injury argument only makes me believe that Fox hasn't done much when Smith or Delhomme is out. Which then makes me think that it is more about those two than Fox.

You can say that about almost any team. Take 3 or 4 players away and the team tanks. Only Belicheck seems to be able to plug in player after player, year after year and win.

Would Bill Walsh be called a genius if he didn't have Montana? Shannahan without Elway....well that was proved today. Injury does have an impact on the team and the way it plays, they are called backups for a reason.

[HGG]

If, if, if, that's stupid. I'm sure there are two games we lost that could have been won "IF" something slightly different had happened. That's the way it works. It's dumb to sit around and wonder "if"

I don't "WONDER IF."

I "UNDERSTAND" that that kind of football always comes back to bite you in the rear when it matters the most, like in the Super Bowl.

In previous years, those "INCHES" went against the Panthers, so they missed the playoffs completely.

Like 2003, they worked in their favor this time, but it was still about "inches." San Diego should have been blown out...Green Bay should have been blown out...NY Giants should have been blown out...Saints should have been blown out, but noooo, you get ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE, and then have to get a lucky break (a last second TD in San Diego...a quasi-hail mary reception by smith in Green Bay and New Orleans) just to squeak out a victory, where a loss would have sent your a$$ home instead of the playoffs.

Trying to win without doing much will eventually catch up to you.

But you don't have to believe it. I'll be right just like I was on this past Sunday when criticizing the philosophy, and you know-nothings will complain about it "WHEN YOU FINALLY SEE IT" because you rely on your stupid eyes too much IN THE MOMENT instead of recognizing the patterns that will eventually screw you if not corrected.

[KillerKat]

fox's style depends too much on "luck" for success. We got lucky a lot in 2003, which is why so many games were decided on last second field goals or the other team screwing up.

It always seems to come down to "inches" with john fox.

Steve smith jumps one second too early against green bay or new orleans this last month of the season, and the panthers are 10-6 and out of the playoffs, in two games that would have been out of reach if the team didn't relax with a lead and let the other team back in it like fox's personality dictates.

Until that changes, i'm not going to get off his case.

Don't call off the horses midway through the 3rd quarter, or at the end of the first half like they did against green bay and the giants.

Until he stops doing that, he's a fool.

fox has a good plan for the team but when it doesnt go according to plan he cant adjust. No reason for that many losing records just because of injuries. The only one he gets a bye is last year. The rest he just didnt adjust.

But yes saturday was a great day.

qft.

[Punisher]

"Trying to win without doing much will eventually catch up to you"

Give it up son, it has been six years. You are going to be dissappointed waiting for Fox to be fired. And quite frankly, I'm glad. 12-4, go crawl in a hole.

[boxer]

I don't "WONDER IF."

I "UNDERSTAND" that that kind of football always comes back to bite you in the rear when it matters the most, like in the Super Bowl.

In previous years, those "INCHES" went against the Panthers, so they missed the playoffs completely.

Like 2003, they worked in their favor this time, but it was still about "inches." San Diego should have been blown out...Green Bay should have been blown out...NY Giants should have been blown out...Saints should have been blown out, but noooo, you get ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE, and then have to get a lucky break (a last second TD in San Diego...a quasi-hail mary reception by smith in Green Bay and New Orleans) just to squeak out a victory, where a loss would have sent your a$$ home instead of the playoffs.

Just to interject, you gotta think that kind of philosophy would really piss off your defense. You spend the first half giving the offense opportunities and build a good lead, just to have the opposition be able to come back to possibly win the game. A kind of tortoise and hare type of thing.

[Pimpdaddy]

Ya I said it...everybody goes off and on the bandwagon of John Fox and Marty Hurney each year we do good or bad each season but before them we really didnt have much going for us. Look at this year and at all the head coaching positions that are available. Also the stat that an avg of 6.5 coaches get hired and fired each year. If you still dont agree with me read this article from the charlotte observer:

Black Monday -- but not for Panthers

The day after the regular season ends is traditionally called "Black Monday" in the NFL, because that's the day head coaches usually get fired.

Anywhere from 2-5 usually get the axe on that day. I remember wondering -- along with many other folks -- whether Black Monday was going to impact the Panthers last season when John Fox had just gone 7-9 and missed the playoffs for the second season in a row.

Nope. It didn't. Jerry Richardson stayed the course, which was the correct thing to do. I advocated Fox getting another season back then, but I certainly didn't expect he and Carolina would go 12-4 this season. As much as I criticize Fox for his conservative approach, that's one heck of a job by this coaching staff, general manager Marty Hurney, the scouting department and so on.

Meanwhile, the New York Jets fired Eric Mangini, Cleveland fired Romeo Crennel and Detroit got rid of Rod (0-16) Marinelli, all in the past 24 hours. All of those teams will be looking for turnarounds like Atlanta, Baltimore and Miami had this season, each team making the playoffs with rookie head coaches.

NFL stands for "Not For Long," as the old joke goes. But Fox has been here a pretty long time now -- 7 seasons, or exactly as many seasons as Dom Capers and George Seifert put together. You've got to hand it to him for his survival instincts -- and for the team he has right now, which just may be his best yet.

well, if you'r dirnking the koolaid, we are under achieving. with our talent we should be about 15-1... Marty Schottenheimer got his ass fired with a 14-2 record. dont get me wrong, i'm as happy as 17 year old teen getting his first piece of 'A', but if Dwill and Smitty didnt bail this team out not to mention Rosario on our first game we'd be 8-8. Hope Foxy is being foxy.

[PhillyB]

San Diego should have been blown out...Green Bay should have been blown out...NY Giants should have been blown out...Saints should have been blown out

really?

[wcd59]

I am just glad somebody finally realized that Dan Morgan couldn't play anymore and realized we needed a new guy to run these linebackers GO BEASON

[BIGH2001]

I don't "WONDER IF."

I "UNDERSTAND" that that kind of football always comes back to bite you in the rear when it matters the most, like in the Super Bowl.

In previous years, those "INCHES" went against the Panthers, so they missed the playoffs completely.

Like 2003, they worked in their favor this time, but it was still about "inches." San Diego should have been blown out...Green Bay should have been blown out...NY Giants should have been blown out...Saints should have been blown out, but noooo, you get ULTRA-CONSERVATIVE, and then have to get a lucky break (a last second TD in San Diego...a quasi-hail mary reception by smith in Green Bay and New Orleans) just to squeak out a victory, where a loss would have sent your a$$ home instead of the playoffs.

Trying to win without doing much will eventually catch up to you.

But you don't have to believe it. I'll be right just like I was on this past Sunday when criticizing the philosophy, and you know-nothings will complain about it "WHEN YOU FINALLY SEE IT" because you rely on your stupid eyes too much IN THE MOMENT instead of recognizing the patterns that will eventually screw you if not corrected.

Since it's so easy to blow out your opponent in the NFL I wonder why everyone isn't doing it. All you have to do is get a small lead and keep building, the other team probably won't offer any resistance.

A win is a win and you take them any way you can get them in the most unpredictable league in the world.