The real problem with Frank Reich

[Loyalty4Life]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GxYF9lieQk

 

I think Frank can be a very good coach but his ego won't let him be just a head coach.  He insists on trying to be both Head coach and OC.  His stubborn refusal to give up playcalling is holding this team back so much.  You can already see the cutting edge offenses of today and the way they are being ran are way outside of what he wants to be and maybe even what he can envision.  The details of advanced offenses in today NFL has somewhat passed him by. 

That does mean he can't understand it conceptually or even design great plays around newer idea and concept but in the heat of battle when you calling plays you're going to default to what you're used to, to what you're comfortable with, to what you are familar with.  Frank is most comfortable in an older NFL offense.

We've seen Bryce go to extremes to seemingly audible out of every play called by Frank.  We seen Reich admit mistakes to personal and in getting the play into Bryce quickly.  You can't be a good head coach and a good OC and call plays on Sunday.  You'll end up not being able to really be good at one of them because you're tying to do all of them.

In today Miami game we had a great 1st quarter.  The first 15 plays or so are always scripted in an NFL game.  They are created by the brain trust.  It doesn't matter who actually calls them into the QB.  But after that it's up to the coach calling the plays to decide what to call.  We scored 2 TDs, moved the ball, ran it great, passed it great.  Looked like the team we all expected us to be.

It won't solve all the Panthers problems but in my mind it's currently the biggest things holding us back.  Frank are not putting the players in the best position to excel.  More and more it's looking like a classic case of scheme over personal in concept but also in how, when and why the plays are being called.

For all Frank's talk of team he's the lone wolf holding out.

To quote Singletary, "I feel that a great coach is one that has a vision, sets a plan in place, has the right people in place to execute that plan and then accepts the responsibility if that plan is not carried out."

 

[jb2288]

Amen. Could not agree more. Hopefully bye week is when he makes a move to being only HC and not play caller

[4Corners]

Need a CEO type of coach. Not a know it all boomer who wants to micromanage. Reich is like 62 years old. Been in the game for a while. At this point he is what he is and that ain’t gonna change. Old people don’t become more flexible and progressive with age. 
 

it was a poor hire to begin with, let him finish out the season and fire him immediately on Black Friday. 

[CamWhoaaCam]

It's amazing people pood on Wilks on his way out, yet they think "Frank can be a good coach" when he hasn't won a single game since we hired him.

 

Frank is trash and a downgrade from Wilks. At least the players played hard for Wilks. This team doesn't even try to do that. Tepper is bad a picking HC's. The next HC hire should come from the new GM.

[Carolina Cajun]

9 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Need a CEO type of coach. Not a know it all boomer who wants to micromanage. Reich is like 62 years old. Been in the game for a while. At this point he is what he is and that ain’t gonna change. Old people don’t become more flexible and progressive with age. 
 

it was a poor hire to begin with, let him finish out the season and fire him immediately on Black Friday. 

The sad thing was Rhule was supposed to be the "CEO" type.  It takes talent to be this consistently bad at everything.

[mc52beast]

13 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Need a CEO type of coach. Not a know it all boomer who wants to micromanage. Reich is like 62 years old. Been in the game for a while. At this point he is what he is and that ain’t gonna change. Old people don’t become more flexible and progressive with age. 
 

it was a poor hire to begin with, let him finish out the season and fire him immediately on Black Friday. 

Steve Wilks is 54, not much younger than Frank. The old guy seemed to do pretty well when called upon.

[45catfan]

The problem with Frank is he didn't want to piss off his new boss and went along with Tepper's choice of QB.

[4Corners]

14 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

The sad thing was Rhule was supposed to be the "CEO" type.  It takes talent to be this consistently bad at everything.

That CEO coach may he Ruhle’s philosophy but he sucked at it. There are bad CEOs in the business world too. 
 

a good CEO example is Mack Brown and Nick Saban. Maybe Pete Carroll. 

[4Corners]

Reich is NOT going to be a successful head coach here. Period. End of story. If you believe otherwise, then you are struggling with reality. His playcalling is complete dogshit, some of the worst I’ve ever seen, he has taken strengths of the team and turned them to weaknesses, and if he was the one who pressed the team to sign a bum like Miles Sanders then I really don’t think he is qualified to make any personnel decisions. He is such a bad coach that the rising star DC he brought in looks like his coaching resume just took a big hit.  

 

He needs to be removed immediately following the season

[Hugor Hill]

28 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

It's amazing people pood on Wilks on his way out, yet they think "Frank can be a good coach" when he hasn't won a single game since we hired him.

 

Frank is trash and a downgrade from Wilks. At least the players played hard for Wilks. This team doesn't even try to do that. Tepper is bad a picking HC's. The next HC hire should come from the new GM.

Oh I diasgree wholeheartedly with this. Frank can be a great coach, @ the middle/jr high school level. 

[Loyalty4Life]

I think Frank can be a really good NFL coach and a good Panthers coach.  He's built an excellent staff and I think he's good with players and dealing with other personal.  One of the biggest reasons he was hired was because of his experience and inside track on getting other coaches to come here.  Highly desirable coaches.  Deuce was the assistant head coach/ running backs coach.  Thomas Brown was McVay's right hand man, an Assistant Head coach / running backs / tight ends coach.  The Broncos did not want to lose Evero but he forced his way out and came to Carolina.  The connection there is Dom Capers was a senior defensive assistant on Evero's staff in Denver.  He of course was the Panthers first coach and Frank's coach.  All of these coaches are very good and highly sought after.  Frank had a huge hand is how and why they decided to come to Carolina.  Tepper also played a large part in that he's never selfish in spending his own money, many, many times overspending, to get Carolina their guy.

He has largely let Evero control and run the defense but probably has had some input into the type of defense he wanted, the philosophy, etc.  He needs to do the same with the offense.  The problem on defense is not coaching, it's injuries and execution.  We simply don't have the talent level to complete for a whole game. 

A good coach knows what he doesn't know and allows people who are better suited to run specific things.

If Reich wanted to be the OC and playcaller that is fine but that is the job he should have applied for.  He built a great staff, now it's time to be a head coach and a head coach only and trust the guys he picked to do their job.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Loyalty4Life said:

His stubborn refusal to give up playcalling is holding this team back so much.  You can already see the cutting edge offenses of today and the way they are being ran are way outside of what he wants to be and maybe even what he can envision.  The details of advanced offenses in today NFL has somewhat passed him by. 

 

 

But are there any current cutting edge offenses overseen by some offensive dinosaur like Frank though? 

everything is a bad marriage here.  Which points to the lack of vision and direction at the top.  Just a bunch of random parts smashed together.  

why do we suck? Because no one knows what we want to be and that’s by design.   You don’t pair Bryce with Frank, you don’t have archaic people like Jim and Dom on top of young coordinators.  

[Knaakedup]

The real problem with Frank Reich is...

HE HASN'T BEEN FIRED YET. End of story. GTFOH. 

Firesale this poo and dump everyone you can get anything for. 

Edited October 16, 2023 by Knaakedup

[Knaakedup]

8 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

I think Frank can be a really good NFL coach and a good Panthers coach.  He's built an excellent staff and I think he's good with players and dealing with other personal.  One of the biggest reasons he was hired was because of his experience and inside track on getting other coaches to come here.  Highly desirable coaches.  Deuce was the assistant head coach/ running backs coach.  Thomas Brown was McVay's right hand man, an Assistant Head coach / running backs / tight ends coach.  The Broncos did not want to lose Evero but he forced his way out and came to Carolina.  The connection there is Dom Capers was a senior defensive assistant on Evero's staff in Denver.  He of course was the Panthers first coach and Frank's coach.  All of these coaches are very good and highly sought after.  Frank had a huge hand is how and why they decided to come to Carolina.  Tepper also played a large part in that he's never selfish in spending his own money, many, many times overspending, to get Carolina their guy.

He has largely let Evero control and run the defense but probably has had some input into the type of defense he wanted, the philosophy, etc.  He needs to do the same with the offense.  The problem on defense is not coaching, it's injuries and execution.  We simply don't have the talent level to complete for a whole game. 

A good coach knows what he doesn't know and allows people who are better suited to run specific things.

If Reich wanted to be the OC and playcaller that is fine but that is the job he should have applied for.  He built a great staff, now it's time to be a head coach and a head coach only and trust the guys he picked to do their job.

Frank cannot and will not ever be a good coach for this team. That ship has sailed. The quicker he and Fit are gone, the quicker we can start fixing this mess.