Panthers Receivers Coach retires

[monstercat]

I hate the way people judge coaches around here. It's not always the coaches fault that a guy can't play, people. There have been a handful of 1000yd WR's that Williamson coached, and they got the same coaching as the guys who failed. In fact, the guys that were struggling most likely got even more attention from the coach. Don't automatically blame the teacher for every student who's not intelligent enough, or is not willing to work hard enough to learn the material.

[KillerKat]

I hate the way people judge coaches around here. It's not always the coaches fault that a guy can't play, people. There have been a handful of 1000yd WR's that Williamson coached, and they got the same coaching as the guys who failed. In fact, the guys that were struggling most likely got even more attention from the coach. Don't automatically blame the teacher for every student who's not intelligent enough, or is not willing to work hard enough to learn the material.

You're comparing a few good receivers (Moose, Smith, Jeffers, Ismail) to a large number of duds that have come here and failed over a span of 15 years. Sorry but that's a failure of coaching.

[monstercat]

You're comparing a few good receivers (Moose, Smith, Jeffers, Ismail) to a large number of duds that have come here and failed over a span of 15 years. Sorry but that's a failure of coaching.

No, that's a failure to spot talent. Like Mangus said, none of those guys did any better with different coaches either. Common sense should tell you that they just couldn't play...period. For crying out loud, one of them went to the Patriots and couldn't make it, and they throw the ball to everybody. Does that mean the Patriots had a shitty WR's coach too?

[KillerKat]

No, that's a failure to spot talent. Like Mangus said, none of those guys did any better with different coaches either. Common sense should tell you that they just couldn't play...period. For crying out loud, one of them went to the Patriots and couldn't make it, and they throw the ball to everybody. Does that mean the Patriots had a shitty WR's coach too?

Over a span of 15 years, you would think that a team would have more than 2 drafted WRs become productive. And have more than 4-5 WRs go over 1,000 yards (3 of those WRs were before 2000).

[MaineManPanther]

Over a span of 15 years, you would think that a team would have more than 2 drafted WRs become productive. And have more than 4-5 WRs go over 1,000 yards (3 of those WRs were before 2000).

1000 yards arent the nesscary end all if a player is good or not. Look at Prohel and Colbert in his rookie year.

Also unless you constanly change your WR corps. Your not going to get a different 1000 yard reciver every year. Not saying we arent under. But its not like we should have a ton in a short team exsistence.

[monstercat]

Over a span of 15 years, you would think that a team would have more than 2 drafted WRs become productive. And have more than 4-5 WRs go over 1,000 yards (3 of those WRs were before 2000).

Uh, those two drafted WR's have been here for the better part of 10 years, which is 2/3rds of the Panthers entire existence. Combine that with the fact that they have been a run first team all of that time, except for the couple of years when Seifert was here, and I'd say they've done alright. Even Dom Capers had some pretty good WR's for an expansion team.

[KillerKat]

Here's Richard William's resume of soild WRs:

Smith

Muhammad

Proehl (good slot receiver, mostly for clutch catches on 3rd down)

Colbert (good rookie year, poo his next 3)

Jeffers (good for 1 year, did squat his next)

Ismail (good for 1 year after 2 years of nothing)

Green (good for 1 year, pretty decent the next)

Carrier (good for 2 years, average the next, poo after that)

Not that impressive at all. 3 of those we drafted, 1 of the 3 was poo after his rookie season. Compare this with the ever long list of WRs that were crap when we either drafted or signed them from free agency.

[ncbobcat]

Hey, how about let's start thinking of people we would like to see replace Williamson? I wouldn't mind seeing Ricky Proehl. The guy wasn't overly gifted as a WR, but still managed a very successful career. I typically like to see coaches not too far removed from their playing career to move into the coaching ranks at their playing position like Sam Mills did. I mean Williamson was once a WR...like almost 50 years ago, so bringing in a true pro that knows the position and the organization, not to mention he happened to be pretty darn good makes a bunch of sense to me.

[csx]

I hate the way people judge coaches around here.

People around here generally don't have a F'n clue what they are talking about.

[CRA]

Here's Richard William's resume of soild WRs:

Smith

Muhammad

Proehl (good slot receiver, mostly for clutch catches on 3rd down)

Colbert (good rookie year, poo his next 3)

Jeffers (good for 1 year, did squat his next)

Ismail (good for 1 year after 2 years of nothing)

Green (good for 1 year, pretty decent the next)

Carrier (good for 2 years, average the next, poo after that)

Not that impressive at all. 3 of those we drafted, 1 of the 3 was poo after his rookie season. Compare this with the ever long list of WRs that were crap when we either drafted or signed them from free agency.

Proehl doesn't belong on his resume. That would be like bringing in Tory Holt next year as the #3 and giving credit to whoever we hire if Holt is productive.

[ncbobcat]

So who does people want as a WR coach? Once Crossman was fired, names started to be thrown around for the STs job. For better or for worse Williamson is gone, I think we should be looking forward to his replacement.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

I hate the way people judge coaches around here.

Can you tell us how we should judge coaches?

[monstercat]

Here's Richard William's resume of soild WRs:

Smith

Muhammad

Proehl (good slot receiver, mostly for clutch catches on 3rd down)

Colbert (good rookie year, sh*t his next 3)

Jeffers (good for 1 year, did squat his next)

Ismail (good for 1 year after 2 years of nothing)

Green (good for 1 year, pretty decent the next)

Carrier (good for 2 years, average the next, sh*t after that)

Not that impressive at all. 3 of those we drafted, 1 of the 3 was sh*t after his rookie season. Compare this with the ever long list of WRs that were crap when we either drafted or signed them from free agency.

I'm curious. Exactly how many great WR's did you expect this team to produce in 15 years? When you hit on guys like Smith and Moose, who play for 10 years or more, you rarely draft a WR in the 1st round, and you're a run first team for 95% of those 15 years, I just don't see how you can expect the list to be very long...especially when you're talking about a team that started from nothing 15 years ago.

[monstercat]

Can you tell us how we should judge coaches?

By wins and losses. You can't blame a position coach for every player that fails though...that's just ignorant. You know, I could teach you to play guitar, but if you don't have the talent or don't put in the practice on your own, you will be a shitty guitar player no matter how much I know or how hard I try to make you better...it's the same thing with football players.