Matt Moore = 1st Rd Qualifying Offer

[CRA]

I like what I saw in Moore during the last 5 games. However, there is no way that any team would sign him away for a 1st rd pick...or even a 2nd rd pick for that matter.

We are over-valuing him...

I wouldn't be mad at Carolina giving up a 2nd rounder for a guy like Moore. 6-2 against against some pretty dang good teams. With his youth and experience....he is a better gamble than a kid coming out of college.

[klumme]

I like what I saw in Moore during the last 5 games. However, there is no way that any team would sign him away for a 1st rd pick...or even a 2nd rd pick for that matter.

We are over-valuing him...

Maybe... Or you are under-valueing him and what teams ( other than us ) will do for a good QB.

Again I will use Schaub as an example. What had he played? Like two games or so for the Falcons and Texans gave a high 2nd plus they swapt picks in the first round. If you look at the trade value chart that would value as a first rounder.

Moore has showed more than Schaub had before he got traded. But with that said I am not sold on Moore just yet and a 1st round tender seems right at the moment. It gives us some more time.

BTW Welcome back Mintal.

[jramsey4]

I like what I saw in Moore during the last 5 games. However, there is no way that any team would sign him away for a 1st rd pick...or even a 2nd rd pick for that matter.

We are over-valuing him...

Matt Shaub with the Falcons didn't play or win any game the way Moore did. His stats with the Falcons 84 comp 161 attempts 1033 yards (52% comp) 6 tds and 6 ints. His best single year was 2005 in which he comp 33/64 or (52%) and 4 tds no ints. He started only once that year. In fact he only had 2 NFL starts in his career before he was traded to the Texans.

By comparison Moore this year has a record of 4-1. He completed 85/135 (62%) of his passes for 1053 yards and 8 tds 2 ints (and thats averaging in his mop up time at the Eages). He only threw one int in 5 games while throwing for 8 tds. All this with backup T's and WR (last game).

I think in fact we are under-valuing him. The Falcons got 2 2nds and moved up 2 positions in the 1st (which equates to a 4th in trade value). You add those values up you get mid-1st round value. And I believe that Moore has looked far better and more consistent then Shaub.

[CRA]

Moore has legit value....and I can see the Panthers not protecting him. Moore's resume is actually pretty impressive in 07 and 09

[Mesmer]

Are you serious? You are retarded if you don't think some team would give up their 1st round pick for Matt Moore. If you've shown you can win at the QB position in this league, especially at his age, you have REAL value.

It's hard to find QB's who can play at an NFL level, much less at age 25. Are you f*cking serious? Not worth a 1st or 2nd round pick? Isn't that what you guys want to spend on a QB before Matt came in and proved he wasn't as terrible as Delhomme?

Worst thread argument ever. Matt Moore is probably worth it to somebody, and we would be idiots to not give him the highest tender. 2.7 for a potentially starting QB is peanuts I say. peanuts.

[jramsey4]

Maybe... Or you are under-valueing him and what teams ( other than us ) will do for a good QB.

Again I will use Schaub as an example. What had he played? Like two games or so for the Falcons and Texans gave a high 2nd plus they swapt picks in the first round. If you look at the trade value chart that would value as a first rounder.

Moore has showed more than Schaub had before he got traded. But with that said I am not sold on Moore just yet and a 1st round tender seems right at the moment. It gives us some more time.

BTW Welcome back Mintal.

Thats kind of freaky. You were writing almost the exact same thing at almost the same time. If I hadn't researched his stats we would have posted at almost the exact same time.

[MadHatter]

Are you serious? You are retarded if you don't think some team would give up their 1st round pick for Matt Moore. If you've shown you can win at the QB position in this league, especially at his age, you have REAL value.

It's hard to find QB's who can play at an NFL level, much less at age 25. Are you f*cking serious? Not worth a 1st or 2nd round pick? Isn't that what you guys want to spend on a QB before Matt came in and proved he wasn't as terrible as Delhomme?

Worst thread argument ever. Matt Moore is probably worth it to somebody, and we would be idiots to not give him the highest tender. 2.7 for a potentially starting QB is peanuts I say. peanuts.

I would place the 2nd rd tender on him. I think that is sufficient to retain his services.

Don't get me wrong...I like what I saw in Moore. But, he did not come in and aboloutely light it up. He did a great job managing a run first team and not making mistakes....he made some nice plays in the passing game. He is exactly the type of QB that we need. However, I am not sure if he is the type of franchise QB that can put a team on his back and carry them...which is what team's want to spend a 1st rd pick on a QB.

This is just my opinion and is no more or less valid that yours.

[panthers55]

By what tender we put on Moore you will get a real feel for how much he plays into our plans. If as some suggest, the FO is not very high on Moore, then they will try and move him by putting a 2nd round tender on him figuring it will be easier to move him with a 2nd than a 1st. If they put a 1st round tender then they either want to make sure they get adequate compensation thinking he is worth quite a bit, or are fine keeping him if no one bites with a 1st round, or want him no matter what. He ought to thank Jake for that. After how he played in 2009, the team may keep Moore no matter what given they are unwilling to put all their eggs in the delhomme basket like they did before.

[klumme]

Thats kind of freaky. You were writing almost the exact same thing at almost the same time. If I hadn't researched his stats we would have posted at almost the exact same time.

:cheers2:

[Lumps]

We need to put Moore out there and build a team on him or trade someone else for a very nice QB. Moore needs to be resigned...he has proved his worth at least, calls are being made I'm sure.

[jramsey4]

I would place the 2nd rd tender on him. I think that is sufficient to retain his services.

Don't get me wrong...I like what I saw in Moore. But, he did not come in and aboloutely light it up. He did a great job managing a run first team and not making mistakes....he made some nice plays in the passing game. He is exactly the type of QB that we need. However, I am not sure if he is the type of franchise QB that can put a team on his back and carry them...which is what team's want to spend a 1st rd pick on a QB.

This is just my opinion and is no more or less valid that yours.

Sure if you want him in a long term deal sure. You only put a 2nd round tender on Moore some team will, I repeat will, take a chance on a player that in the last 3 games did more then just manage the game. He lite it up. I think any team in the league will take performances like the ones we got to enjoy the last 3 weeks of the season.

Who in this years draft looks like a more talented QB. Maybe Mallet or Skelton or one of the more physically gifted QB in the draft. But on average almost all the top QB's bring similar physical skills as Moore (IE Arm Strength etc) but Moore has something none of them do, NFL starting experience. And played damn well in that starting experience. This draft is weak as hell at QB IMO.

So we would be forced to match a long term deal. Me personaly I want nothing to do with that. Derek Anderson looked great for an entire season and look at him now. That worries me. If we tender him with a 1st or a 1st and 3rd we could just let him sign with another team if they wanted him bad enough. We would still upgrade our team in other places and get a couple of FA and probably come out for the better.

But what we think matters not because we make not the decisions.

[MadHatter]

Sure if you want him in a long term deal sure. You only put a 2nd round tender on Moore some team will, I repeat will, take a chance on a player that in the last 3 games did more then just manage the game. He lite it up. I think any team in the league will take performances like the ones we got to enjoy the last 3 weeks of the season.

Who in this years draft looks like a more talented QB. Maybe Mallet or Skelton or one of the more physically gifted QB in the draft. But on average almost all the top QB's bring similar physical skills as Moore (IE Arm Strength etc) but Moore has something none of them do, NFL starting experience. And played damn well in that starting experience. This draft is weak as hell at QB IMO.

So we would be forced to match a long term deal. Me personaly I want nothing to do with that. Derek Anderson looked great for an entire season and look at him now. That worries me. If we tender him with a 1st or a 1st and 3rd we could just let him sign with another team if they wanted him bad enough. We would still upgrade our team in other places and get a couple of FA and probably come out for the better.

But what we think matters not because we make not the decisions.

I see the point that you guys are making.

I am still not sold that someone would sweep in with a 2nd, but it is definitely possible.

I think a 1st rd tender may be overkill. However, I would rather us pay him for the higher tender and possibly waste some cash, than give a 2nd rd tender and lose him.

[Mr. Scot]

Worth remembering that even if another team does sign him to a deal, we have a right to match. If not, we receive compensation. Barring someone doing a "poison pill" type contract, unlikely we lose him.

As mentioned before, Moore has yet to indicate he has any interest in moving elsewhere. Just the opposite. He talks like a guy who can't wait to get back to work.

[jramsey4]

Worth remembering that even if another team does sign him to a deal, we have a right to match. If not, we receive compensation. Barring someone doing a "poison pill" type contract, unlikely we lose him.

As mentioned before, Moore has yet to indicate he has any interest in moving elsewhere. Just the opposite. He talks like a guy who can't wait to get back to work.

But that also means we have to match the terms. Most RFA contracts are 5 or 6 years and for a QB you can bet it would have a hefty signing bonus. I really don't want to let Moore go but I would rather be looking at a 1st then a 5 year 20 million dollar guaranteed contract to a guy that is a little to much of an unknown.

You have to look at all the Teams that need QB's (Rams, Seahawks, Raiders, Etc). If all you tender him for is a 2nd one of those teams will bite I guarantee it. I would go with a 1st and 3rd tender.