Does Bryce really require any more that other QBs for success?

[Loyalty4Life]

It's almost as if football is a team sport with vast overlap in every position having an effect on the whole.

 

Weird.

[BrisbanePanther]

10 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

No, we're not complaining if Young turns into a first ballot HOF QB.

The problem is, right now, he looks like a one(season)-and-done QB who's only starting because he was taken #1 overall.

 

Let's stick with the Eli analogy then.

Rookie year, 1-6 record as a starter with just over a thousand yards passing, and that one win was the last game of the season. He had a game during his rookie year with a 0.0 rating. He may not have had 200 yds passing all year--and that's with Jeremy Shockey, Tiki Barber, Ron Dayne, and Amani Toomer on offense. He had good coaching (Coughlin). NY gave up Rivers, another 1st, a 3rd, and a 5th to get him.

Huddle (actually everyone in the social media era) would have said the same thing about Eli then--"he ain't it". He won the Super Bowl in year four.

The irony is that he replaced Kurt Warner on that team, who EVERYONE thought was washed...until he went to Arizona and was the old Kurt Warner again.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, BrisbanePanther said:

Let's stick with the Eli analogy then.

Rookie year, 1-6 record as a starter with just over a thousand yards passing, and that one win was the last game of the season. He had a game during his rookie year with a 0.0 rating. He may not have had 200 yds passing all year--and that's with Jeremy Shockey, Tiki Barber, Ron Dayne, and Amani Toomer on offense. He had good coaching (Coughlin). NY gave up Rivers, another 1st, a 3rd, and a 5th to get him.

Huddle (actually everyone in the social media era) would have said the same thing about Eli then--"he ain't it". He won the Super Bowl in year four.

The irony is that he replaced Kurt Warner on that team, who EVERYONE thought was washed...until he went to Arizona and was the old Kurt Warner again.

cool

 

now do blaine gabbert 

[beo]

Our fanbase has unrealistically low expectations for a QBs supporting cast in part due to how fuging pathetically we built around Cam. I can't think of a legit franchise QB that got a shittier hand than Cam did as far as offensive supporting casts go in recent memory. Folks do not realize just how galactically far behind we were the rest of the league when Cam was here, remember how many posters were saying our WR core was "underrated" going into the year? lol. It's held over from the Cam era IMO, the fanbase simply has no standards for supporting skill position talent and expects the QB to carry the team on his back because Cam did it. To truly "elevate" a team as a QB, you have to be flat out ELITE. And even then you won't win much come playoff time in the vast majority of cases if the surrounding team is poo. Expecting a rookie in his 5th game to be such a player is a really unfair baseline if you ask me. 

[ForJimmy]

13 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

It's almost as if football is a team sport with vast overlap in every position having an effect on the whole.

 

Weird.

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, beo said:

Our fanbase has unrealistically low expectations for a QBs supporting cast in part due to how fuging pathetically we built around Cam. I can't think of a legit franchise QB that got a shittier hand than Cam did as far as offensive supporting casts go in recent memory. Folks do not realize just how galactically far behind we were the rest of the league when Cam was here, remember how many posters were saying our WR core was "underrated" going into the year? lol. It's held over from the Cam era IMO, the fanbase simply has no standards for supporting skill position talent and expects the QB to carry the team on his back because Cam did it. To truly "elevate" a team as a QB, you have to be flat out ELITE. And even then you won't win much come playoff time in the vast majority of cases if the surrounding team is poo. Expecting a rookie in his 5th game to be such a player is a really unfair baseline if you ask me. 

thats like 6 cams

[ForJimmy]

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

cool

 

now do blaine gabbert 

It’s almost like there are multiple examples of busts and great QBs that struggled early. That just means it’s simply too early to know how Young will end up in his career. 

[beo]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

thats like 6 cams

...And? You seem hell bent on trying to derail this thread for whatever reason. Got a metagrudge with the OP or something?

[MasterAwesome]

43 minutes ago, Knaakedup said:

Do you remember the supporting cast when Cam dragged this team to the SB?

I hear Cam brought up a lot for comparison which obviously makes sense as a Panthers’ #1 pick who immediately looked the part. But what doesn’t make sense to me is that the whole time Cam was doing Cam things and putting the team on his back (even during his MVP season), all of us were BEGGING the FO to get him a supporting cast. That’s the key detail that seems to be missing in all these comparisons. It was never “oh he’s a #1 overall QB, he’s supposed to elevate the team around him, we don’t need to give him a good supporting. He’s just doing what he’s supposed to he doing”. He’d put the team on his back and we’d all be in awe like “Holy poo look at how incredible this guy is with this awful team around him”. To this day, we still talk about how the Panthers failed Cam.

But for some reason with Bryce, our *expectation* now is exactly what we criticized the Panthers for doing with Cam. “Oh he’s a #1 overall pick, he doesn’t need good pieces around him, he should elevate everyone else”.

[Shocker]

19 minutes ago, Loyalty4Life said:

It's almost as if football is a team sport with vast overlap in every position having an effect on the whole.

 

Weird.

No…according to this board every player must be all pro or they are garbage and a brand new coaching staff needs to win the Super Bowl.  Otherwise, this is worthless trash

Oh, and we should trade any good players we have for picks cuz we will pick Hall of Famers.

Edited October 11, 2023 by Shocker

[BrisbanePanther]

Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

cool

 

now do blaine gabbert 

The not-consensus #1 pick-Blaine Gabbert? The same Blaine Gabbert that Jacksonville traded up to draft at 10 cause they missed out that other QB star Jake Locker? The same Blaine Gabbert that many on the Huddle wanted instead of Cam?

Btw, it's always a weird retort. "Cool, now do an example of the opposite of your point." May as well ask how long is a piece of string.

It's like asking someone to do Tepper or Jimmy Haslam in a thread about Bob Kraft.

 

Fentanyl is a dangerous drug.

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, BrisbanePanther said:

The not-consensus #1 pick-Blaine Gabbert? The same Blaine Gabbert that Jacksonville traded up to draft at 10 cause they missed out that other QB star Jake Locker? The same Blaine Gabbert that many on the Huddle wanted instead of Cam?

Btw, it's always a weird retort. "Cool, now do an example of the opposite of your point." May as well ask how long is a piece of string.

It's like asking someone to do Tepper or Jimmy Haslam in a thread about Bob Kraft.

 

Fentanyl is a dangerous drug.

the tepper bots are out tonight

[Shocker]

1 minute ago, BrisbanePanther said:

The not-consensus #1 pick-Blaine Gabbert? The same Blaine Gabbert that Jacksonville traded up to draft at 10 cause they missed out that other QB star Jake Locker? The same Blaine Gabbert that many on the Huddle wanted instead of Cam?

Btw, it's always a weird retort. "Cool, now do an example of the opposite of your point." May as well ask how long is a piece of string.

It's like asking someone to do Tepper or Jimmy Haslam in a thread about Bob Kraft.

 

Fentanyl is a dangerous drug.

Cam and the Panthers coaches and GM literally laughed on camera when asked if they would pick Blaine Gabbert.  That was a media thing, and wasn’t real

[OldhamA]

30 minutes ago, BrisbanePanther said:

Let's stick with the Eli analogy then.

Rookie year, 1-6 record as a starter with just over a thousand yards passing, and that one win was the last game of the season. He had a game during his rookie year with a 0.0 rating. He may not have had 200 yds passing all year--and that's with Jeremy Shockey, Tiki Barber, Ron Dayne, and Amani Toomer on offense. He had good coaching (Coughlin). NY gave up Rivers, another 1st, a 3rd, and a 5th to get him.

Huddle (actually everyone in the social media era) would have said the same thing about Eli then--"he ain't it". He won the Super Bowl in year four.

The irony is that he replaced Kurt Warner on that team, who EVERYONE thought was washed...until he went to Arizona and was the old Kurt Warner again.

If Young had looked like this at all so far I'd be less worried: