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Zod

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Zod Grand Master

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The bottom line is Matt has had all the skills needed to be a top notch QB in this league, laid back or not.

From there, it is up to the coaching staff to take him and make him into the player that reaches his full potential.

The guy is in his early 20's. Men don't even cook fully until they reach 30 and usually have a lot of growing up to do. This is where the coaches come in.

Poor Fox, he would have actually had to coach up a young qb instead of just getting one in pre packaged.

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The bottom line is Matt has had all the skills needed to be a top notch QB in this league, laid back or not.

From there, it is up to the coaching staff to take him and make him into the player that reaches his full potential.

The guy is in his early 20's. Men don't even cook fully until they reach 30 and usually have a lot of growing up to do. This is where the coaches come in.

Poor Fox, he would have actually had to coach up a young qb instead of just getting one in pre packaged.

If Moore has the skills to be a top notch QB in the NFL---which I am skeptical, but warming up to the idea and will give Moore a chance ---then he should not be playing under John Fox.

Foxy may not like Moore...but it sure looks like his teammates do.

If the team likes Moore (which they should in light of what transpired the last 5 games of the season) and Fox doesn't, then that gets me back to my main problem: Fox has lost his mojo. He screwed up our chance at making the playoffs, but more importantly has no vision and only knows how to coach a certain way. He is the square peg that J-Rich is trying to force in the circle at this point.

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The bottom line is Matt has had all the skills needed to be a top notch QB in this league, laid back or not.

From there, it is up to the coaching staff to take him and make him into the player that reaches his full potential.

The guy is in his early 20's. Men don't even cook fully until they reach 30 and usually have a lot of growing up to do. This is where the coaches come in.

Poor Fox, he would have actually had to coach up a young qb instead of just getting one in pre packaged.

He has? Methinks you and a lot of other people are buying fool's gold here. Matt Moore is like that Dolphins backup who went off to Detroit and sucked eggs with a big contract, Scott Somethingorother. The Panthers always win games when they have been eliminated from the playoffs. I think someone posted a number the other day that said Fox was undefeated in those games. Matt Moore is serviceable. Which makes him better than Jake this year but at the same time he shouldn't be confused with Matt Ryan, Drew Brees, or half the other teams in the NFC who have their franchise quarterback.

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Bingo.

The job of a coach, or any leader, is to get the most possible out of every person and every personality that is part of a team; be it a Fortune 500 company team, a church choir, or a football team. Every person is different, and there have been enough studies done on communciation methods and personality types to disprove the 'one message approach fits all'.

I don't pretend to know Matt Moore, or John Fox. I didn't watch Moore practice; but, I did watch him play in games that mattered, and I saw how his teammates responded to him. There are also some football players, like Jim McMahon, who play better than they practice....should Ditka have kept Jim on the bench because he didn't like the way he practiced?

This is Moore's moment, he will seize it, or he won't. Based on results on the field, he's earned his chance. Do I think he's a poor man's Tom Brady, no, I don't; but, the one thing I think he is not, is a damned turn-over machine. He has the abilty to roll and throw and evade. He gives his team a chance.

If Fox thinks this kid is such an undriven, unmotivated, underachieving skill, and he has held a roster spot for someone he doesn't believe in , particularly for the most important position on the field, its just further evidence that he should not be a head coach.

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He has? Methinks you and a lot of other people are buying fool's gold here. Matt Moore is like that Dolphins backup who went off to Detroit and sucked eggs with a big contract, Scott Somethingorother. The Panthers always win games when they have been eliminated from the playoffs. I think someone posted a number the other day that said Fox was undefeated in those games. Matt Moore is serviceable. Which makes him better than Jake this year but at the same time he shouldn't be confused with Matt Ryan, Drew Brees, or half the other teams in the NFC who have their franchise quarterback.

Yeah. That's why I am skeptical. The kid deserves a chance though. If he is with us in the preseason, then hopefully we'll be able to really see how he has progressed.

On an off note, I wish that Troy Smith would become a reality.

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He has? Methinks you and a lot of other people are buying fool's gold here. Matt Moore is like that Dolphins backup who went off to Detroit and sucked eggs with a big contract, Scott Somethingorother. The Panthers always win games when they have been eliminated from the playoffs. I think someone posted a number the other day that said Fox was undefeated in those games. Matt Moore is serviceable. Which makes him better than Jake this year but at the same time he shouldn't be confused with Matt Ryan, Drew Brees, or half the other teams in the NFC who have their franchise quarterback.

The only way Matt Moore can fail is if he gets traded to the lowly Rams.

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When he takes us to a Superbowl or at least the playoffs then you can compare him to Jake or Vinny. Until then he is potentially as good. Look at Ryan, most quarterbacks have a sophomore slump. Right now he hasn't played long enough to even be considered a sophomore.

And this a good thing. He's not thinking like a rookie. He's not making rookie mistakes. Wait a minute...he's not a rookie...or a sophomore.

A great in house solution to a big problem.

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