Interesting conversation this week...

[rippadonn]

If we're playing Foxball next year anyway, you don't really need your QB to be a world changer, just protect the football.

[monstercat]

After reading Woodie's post, I'm hoping that Matt Moore has learned a lesson from DeAngelo Williams. He had the same type of laid back attitude about being a professional football player, which is why he didn't start over Foster, no matter how much people want to believe otherwise, but he turned it around and became one of the hardest workers and one of the most reliable players on the team.

[Davidson Deac II]

Yes it has been. It has been a question in college and in the pros. And we are not talking about changing his personality. we are talking about changing his work ethic when he comes to work every day for the Panthers. It is real common for guys to be one way at home and with friends than when he goes to work each day. It is called having a strong work ethic and seperating your business life from your personal life. Some guys hav a hard time doing that and they rarely succeed.

Not by anyone who actually matters. Even irt this thread, we have no confirmation of how Fox really felt, just rumors and innuendo.

[Fiz]

judging from fox's personnel decisions the last few years I'm not totally sure he actually knows what a football player is

[ItsNotGonnaBeAlright]

If the organization continues to put faith in Moore, would it boost his drive and focus? Certainly seemed to work in the last three games.

[pstall]

I had a similar conversation with someone in the org last year and along the same lines.

Except this guy said John was not as serious about winning year after year as other coaches.

Just throwing that out there.

[Snake]

He has? Methinks you and a lot of other people are buying fool's gold here. Matt Moore is like that Dolphins backup who went off to Detroit and sucked eggs with a big contract, Scott Somethingorother. The Panthers always win games when they have been eliminated from the playoffs. I think someone posted a number the other day that said Fox was undefeated in those games. Matt Moore is serviceable. Which makes him better than Jake this year but at the same time he shouldn't be confused with Matt Ryan, Drew Brees, or half the other teams in the NFC who have their franchise quarterback.

Matt Ryan looked pretty bad when he lost just 2 of his O-line guys. Even to the extent that his coach kept him out of the Game so he would not get hurt. Moore has done more with less. Cant argue with Brees though he just seems to get better every year.

[rayzor]

Bingo.

The job of a coach, or any leader, is to get the most possible out of every person and every personality that is part of a team; be it a Fortune 500 company team, a church choir, or a football team. Every person is different, and there have been enough studies done on communciation methods and personality types to disprove the 'one message approach fits all'.

ok...i promised myself i wouldn't write much on this but oh well. i got inspired.

This was a large part of the angle that I am working from. There is very little difference between industries as to what makes a good leader vs. a manager. imo, fox is a manager...not a leader. i don't really care that the players on the team think the world of him. i don't think that he is helping them become the best players that they can be. i don't think he is developing anyone, nor do i think he is either capable of doing it or cares to. he wants to win but he wants to do it using the most established players possible and would rather rely on those who require the least amount of attention. it's an easy way to do things and it can work but you never reach the full potential of your personnel or organization.

You don't have to spent 20 years as a professional coach to know how to get the most out of your people. If you have someone with a lot of obvious talent and potential, give them an opportunity to use it. this doesn't always mean, "let me see what you can do in practice." there are many incredibly talented people who are naturally gifted who don't show it in practice or preparation. when it matters most, though, you are going to see what they can do.

i have worked with and managed workhorses who put in tons of prep work who weren't nearly as effective in the field as some of those who did very little to prepare themselves. sales people who don't practice scripts and have them memorized but can wing it and take control of every situation the minute they walk into it are everywhere. i've had people who knew very little about the details but pulled out some incredible results. i've had students that i either studied with or had as students who worked hard preparing for tests who didn't do nearly as well as some of those who did very little studying. i've worked with musicians who practice very little but succeeded when put to the test.

Of course I've seen plenty of the opposite as well...i've seen incredible success come from those who put in hours and hours of time getting ready. the point is, not every successful person fits into the same mold and as a good manager you would not only understand that, but embrace it. You take each employee, student, or whatever as they are and work to get the most out of them. Are there going to be double standards? You bet but that doesn't matter to me. I get the most out of each person in whatever way works best for them. If someone is going to take a lot of prep work for them to be the most efficient then i am going to require it from them because i want the best from them. if someone needs to have their space and can work well enough on their own...i'm going to require them to do whatever it takes to get them at their best. there is no 'one size fits all' approach and not all people work the same or respond to the same stimuli.

for a much better take on what makes a leader vs. a manager go here and see where fox fits.

http://changingminds.org/disciplines/leadership/articles/manager_leader.htm

[Jangler]

Please explain?

Are you stoned again?

[raleigh-panther]

Yes Rayzor, that's were I'm coming from.

I agree, having been led, and having to lead others myself, many in different countries and cultures in a Corporate setting, that there is a great difference between a manager and a leader. It is not easy. It is very very hard to take the message that needs to be given to all and make it unique to one.

Fox, is a manager.

[E CaT PanTHer]

Matt Moore is one of those students that always cuts class, never participates in any group activities, never asks any questions, always cracks jokes in class, and a guy that any teacher despises. But come exam day, he gets the highest grade and leaves the teacher bewildered.

[Makish]

joe montana -laid back Qb=greatest QB EVER

Dan Marino - Qb who use to belittle and scream at WRS for drops = 1 superbowl lost and useless records

[weyco2000]

We have all been to training camp and watched a practice or 2, I never saw Moore sitting around in a lounge chair with a cooler of beer. I just dont think Fox has a very good eye for talent.

[pstall]

Matt Moore is one of those students that always cuts class, never participates in any group activities, never asks any questions, always cracks jokes in class, and a guy that any teacher despises. But come exam day, he gets the highest grade and leaves the teacher bewildered.

This was put in my progress report my senior year. No joke. Not word for word of course