Just speculating... I wouldn't be surprised if Frank or Fitt is fired soon. Very soon.

[mrcompletely11]

22 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

WTF is going on in this thread...

Mr scot is back.  And he's mad.........

[CamWhoaaCam]

6 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Mr scot is back.  And he's mad.........

LMAO 

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

LMAO 

besmirch either Fitt or Reich and you will FAFO

[ForJimmy]

23 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Scot, this is also where you get tripped up. I’ve seen it before multiple times where you’ve jumped through hoops to defend your guys and did ignore articles  to take the blame off of your guys. You were a huge Fitterer fan, we’ve argued about that before and sorry, he’s been terrible so far, draft, trades and FAs. You are also a huge Reich fan and dude, he said playoffs and we are a worse team than Wilk’s version. We treated preseason terrible as if not showing our offense was more important than getting the team actually ready, leading to an 0-6 start.

I have no doubt that Brown was charged with building the playbook as the OC. It’s funny that you linked an article about that but missed in @ForJimmy’s link that they laid out exactly what happened:

Brown said he and Reich broke their offensive identities down to their roots when designing the Panthers' playbook, building it back together with unique ideas peppered throughout. Brown once called the playbook split between his philosophy and Reich's "60-40."

Reich saw some overlap in how he and Brown wanted to plan the offense from the start. He estimated anywhere from 30 to 40 percent of their systems were already "similar" and that the melding process involved picking from new and old language and bringing it together.

You and @CRA might both right. Seems like the playbook is likely 35% Brown/McVay, 25% Reich and 40% overlap. Does it really surprise anyone that while Reich called plays that he likely used more calls from the 65% of the playbook that was what he’s run before? It shouldn’t surprise anyone that the offense still looked like Reich in Indy while he called plays. Doesn’t mean Brown wasn’t in charge of building the playbook either and it wouldn’t surprise me if the offense looks and feels more like watching McVay/Brown while he calls plays.

Yes you are right. The issue I have is people claiming Brown is lying for a PR stunt when he states he helped create the offense. The OC helped the offensive minded HC create an offense catered to their new QB. It’s logical and makes perfect sense. I don’t think Brown is lying his way through his interview on how he helped create this offense. I mean the offense has not been great so why pretend like you helped create it if you didn’t?

[Mr. Scot]

17 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

Scot, this is also where you get tripped up. I’ve seen it before multiple times where you’ve jumped through hoops to defend your guys and did ignore articles  to take the blame off of your guys. You were a huge Fitterer fan, we’ve argued about that before and sorry, he’s been terrible so far, draft, trades and FAs. You are also a huge Reich fan and dude, he said playoffs and we are a worse team than Wilk’s version. We treated preseason terrible as if not showing our offense was more important than getting the team actually ready, leading to an 0-6 start.

I have no doubt that Brown was charged with building the playbook as the OC. It’s funny that you linked an article about that but missed in @ForJimmy’s link that they laid out exactly what happened:

Brown said he and Reich broke their offensive identities down to their roots when designing the Panthers' playbook, building it back together with unique ideas peppered throughout. Brown once called the playbook split between his philosophy and Reich's "60-40."

Reich saw some overlap in how he and Brown wanted to plan the offense from the start. He estimated anywhere from 30 to 40 percent of their systems were already "similar" and that the melding process involved picking from new and old language and bringing it together.

You and @CRA might both right. Seems like the playbook is likely 35% Brown/McVay, 25% Reich and 40% overlap. Does it really surprise anyone that while Reich called plays that he likely used more calls from the 65% of the playbook that was what he’s run before? It shouldn’t surprise anyone that the offense still looked like Reich in Indy while he called plays. Doesn’t mean Brown wasn’t in charge of building the playbook either and it wouldn’t surprise me if the offense looks and feels more like watching McVay/Brown while he calls plays.

Wrong on several points.

The philosophies in the playbook are meshed, but the plays and the playbook were designed "from the ground up" (per his own words) by Brown. That's like if I wrote a story influenced by the styles of Stephen King, Dean Koontz and John Saul. It might include their motifs, but I still wrote it.

If you look back, you'll see Spanish posted a summary of what the process might have been like, and I agreed. CRA has been trying to characterize that as me saying Reich had no influence on the playbook. That was never what I said, just that Brown is the one who wrote it. But then CRA needed to mischaracterize what I said in order to put his own spin on it otherwise his argument looks even worse than it already does.

Likewise, it's not correct to call me a "huge Scott Fitterer fan" (I get that a lot) when my primary argument has just been that the circumstances don't merit just dismissing him. What I am also quite vehemently against is David Tepper making any more football moves without some kind of outside help, and yes that includes firing anybody currently on staff.

No if you want to see I'm a huge fan of Frank Reich, that I am. I'm also inclined to give him (or anyone) tome to actually make their mark before dismissing them. We're only seven game into his tenure, but apparently people are already talking about his entire career being a bust. That's just dumb.

And yes, acting like you could predict the whole season based on preseason games was dumb too; still is. So is overreading what we had last year with Wilks and not looking into the full context of things.

Unfortunately, this is the way a lot of things on the Huddle seem to go.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Yes you are right. The issue I have is people claiming Brown is lying for a PR stunt when he states he helped create the offense. The OC helped the offensive minded HC create an offense catered to their new QB. It’s logical and makes perfect sense. I don’t think Brown is lying his way through his interview on how he helped create this offense. I mean the offense has not been great so why pretend like you helped create it if you didn’t?

What I find even more ridiculous than that is why why about it before the season even started? That's when the interview was given.

Did Thomas Brown somehow know things were going to go bad say this to cover for Frank ahead of time?

Talk about a narrative

Edited November 2, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[CRA]

46 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Sounds like you're looking for a way out of this conversation before it gets any deeper than the surface.

I mean, this convo has been done before.  If you want an honest one I’ll have it.  If an opening to the convo is meet with me…..doesn’t matter, what else you got then I don’t think that would represent someone interested in a legit convo 

[mav1234]

48 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Just stop breadcrumbing and get to the point.  It shouldn't take 27 posts back and forth before we get to your actual argument.  This isn't a 4-season Netflix series.

Hahaahahaha man you just captured me trying to read wtf is going on in this thread perfectly 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

I mean, this convo has been done before.  If you want an honest one I’ll have it.  If an opening to the convo is meet with me…..doesn’t matter, what else you got then I don’t think that would represent someone interested in a legit convo 

It's kinda hard to have a "legit convo" with someone when you can show them a source that proves them wrong and they not only deny it for no good reason but then accuse you of being the one sticking to a narrative.

That's been your strategy in a lot of prior discussions so I'm not surprised, but hey...

[CRA]

48 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

so this is clearly a Frank Reich offense because it runs out of shotgun a lot.  Okay...hardly the compelling argument I was hoping for, but I guess we can leave it at that.  

lol,  that’s not the argument.  It would be the start of the convo.   I mean you were the one questioning if I knew anything about the Frank O.  Well, that’s where I would start the conversation.   It’s a Frank signature….and if you were to acknowledge that then we could keep walking and talking and going more in-depth.  Because it’s always impacted his offensives in a negative manner when the talent wasn’t there and he failed to adjust.   SD, Indy and Carolina.  Same issues pop.  Run game and pass game. 

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's kinda hard to have a "legit convo" with someone when you can show them a source that proves them wrong and they not only deny it for no good reason but then accuse you of being the one sticking to a narrative.

That's been your strategy in a lot of prior discussions so I'm not surprised, but hey...

I mean you can find NFL teams saying all kids of fluff going into a season and in season.   You can treat it like the 10 Commandments.  I don’t.   We came out running vintage Frank Reich offense.   Panthers saying Brown was tasked with building the O while not even being allowed to call plays here is super.  What the Carolina Panthers actually came out doing has been vintage Frank Reich though.  

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

lol,  that’s not the argument.  It would be the start of the convo.   I mean you were the one questioning if I knew anything about the Frank O.  Well, that’s where I would start the conversation. 

I suspect that's also where it ends.

(unless you were to do some more googling, of course)

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean you can find NFL teams saying all kids of fluff going into a season and in season.   You can treat it like the 10 Commandments.  I don’t.   We came out running vintage Frank Reich offense.   Panthers saying Brown was tasked with building the O while not even being allowed to call plays here is super.  What the Carolina Panthers actually came out doing has been vintage Frank Reich though.  

You can find loads of examples of teams lying about who wrote their playbook? 🫢

I'd definitely be interested in seeing that.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, ForJimmy said:

So what’s the PR bullshit of Thomas Brown saying he helped create this offense? It’s such a pointless hill to die on. Yeah they overhyped their team which yeah like you stated most teams PR will do, but lying about who designed what plays just seems odd. Like who cares? Whoever designed this offense didn’t do a good job so far. This is just the Young ankle injury fan created theory all over again. I understand your heels are dug in and you are going to stick with what you are saying but I just don’t understand the point I guess. 

I mean for the 100th time.  Thomas Brown did help create it.  So did others.   I mean, that’s projecting an argument I’m not saying.   

Im saying he didn’t build it from the ground up.  Core is and has been Frank Reich’s offense. Brown and  company are adding their tweaks.  Company line can be whatever they want it be on that.  Only this week has it suddenly been some grand issue to call it what it is.   And it has been called that all season.  

My hope continues to be what it was when Frank stepped aside. Which I posted on.  That we start to see more and more McVay being implemented into this thing. 

Because  the Frank Reich approach is going to get Bryce Young hurt.  We don’t have the talent.  Just math.