Trapasso: Young's first few starts are concerning

[GOAT]

Johnny Manziel is a great on the field comp unfortunately. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

Lawrence has fumbled twice in the redzone today in the same way and he's 6'6"

Yeah, other guys fumble too. Even guys with prototypical size. Bryce has fumbled in every games he's played so far though.

[Johnstonny]

...Damn...I wanted Penderson and let him pick his qb...and/or pickup Richardson... But dr peppers biggest detriment is he doesnt know what he doesnt know...hes just slingin sht.... season 6 is going to be one of the worst in Panther history... and the future abysmal at best...

[4Corners]

I agreed with the OP and agree with the article. Think we can trade him in the offseason?

[Jackie Lee]

4 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

Lawrence has fumbled twice in the redzone today in the same way and he's 6'6"

And how does that make Bryces turnovers less concerning? 

[4Corners]

Does BY pass the eye test three games in to his nfl career?

the answer is no. He doesn’t even physically look like an NFL player. 

[The Natural]

These threads are exhausting. Do we REALLY need a separate thread for every one of these? Maybe we can get a mod to sticky a "Bryce Young sucks" thread for everyone to talk circles in.

[*FreeFua*]

If things don’t get drastically better I’d be looking long and hard at the QB’s in this next draft hoping one slides out of the first round and is sitting there at 33

[amcoolio]

4 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

And how does that make Bryces turnovers less concerning? 

Becuase he's a rookie and played 3 games?

If he's still fumbling like that next year, then I'm concerned.

I'm not bothered by the turnovers at all, just the throwing downfield

[scpanther22]

39 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

In short, it's just not translating. Being a great college player doesn't automatically translate to being a great NFL player. There's a long history of great college players not translating to the NFL. It's usually one of three things. 1. The player lacks the physical tools to replicate the same success at the NFL level. 2. The player lacks the mental tools to replicate the same success at the NFL level. 3. Off-field stuff.

The primary factor limiting Bryce's success so far couldn't possibly be more obvious and it's not because he's a dummy on or off the field.

you listed all these reasons and not one of them blame the coaching lol

[GOAT]

8 minutes ago, 4Corners said:

Does BY pass the eye test three games in to his nfl career?

the answer is no. He doesn’t even physically look like an NFL player. 

it looks like we're running a fake field goal with the kicker throwing on every down.

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, scpanther22 said:

you listed all these reasons and not one of them blame the coaching lol

Watch the game Andy Dalton played. See the difference.

I don't think our coaching is great, don't get me wrong. But I also realized these guys have a lot of experience in the NFL and it's probably not as bad as we hope it is to cause Bryce to look this bad either. Then there's that small inconvenience of watching Dalton throw for 350+ yards and 2 TDs with this same staff, same OL, and same weapons.

[scpanther22]

11 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Watch the game Andy Dalton played. See the difference.

I don't think our coaching is great, don't get me wrong. But I also realized these guys have a lot of experience in the NFL and it's probably not as bad as we hope it is to cause Bryce to look this bad either. Then there's that small inconvenience of watching Dalton throw for 350+ yards and 2 TDs with this same staff, same OL, and same weapons.

The game I saw with Dalton wasn't as positive as those stats suggest. I saw play that was marginally better that suggest coaching is making everyone look bad

[t96]

1 hour ago, top dawg said:

I'm a realist who tries to be objective before making up my mind. I have made up my mind about Frank Reich: nice guy, but uninspiring  head coach whose not situationally adept, and whose product is not conducive to winning a championship. I've made up my mind about Scott Fitterer: out-of-the-box thinker who gets waxed in deals because he's unable to appraise the value of his own players and hold other GM's feet to the fire, as well as being a somewhat sketchy talent evaluator.

Now, I haven't made up my mind on Bryce Young, and I think it's generally unfair to be making definitely negative statements about a rookie only three games in, QB or not. That being said, I am as concerned as any Panthers or Young fan about what I've seen. Chris Trapasso of CBS is concerned, but he has extra juice to back it up. 

 

"His efforts have been wholly uninspiring and ultra-conservative. They've lacked the creative brilliance we watched for two seasons at Alabama, and his weaknesses have been highlighted in each contest.

"From a statistical perspective, Young's current 4.9 yards-per-attempt average ranks 249th out of 261 quarterbacks in modern NFL history (since 1961) to attempt at least 75 passes in their first three professional starts (rookie year or not)."

"...even those who weren't completely enamored with Young -- like myself -- had to admit: the guy made tremendous off-script, outside-of-structure plays at Alabama look routine. 

"...Young's athleticism has been stretched to the limit. His pressure-to-sack rate of 22% is the 10th-highest in football (meaning he's been sacked 22% of the time he's been pressured). His overall sack rate is 9.6%, not brutally high for most rookie quarterbacks but decently alarming for a No. 1 overall pick who was tabbed as an improvisation specialist."

 

Trapasso's concerns are legit, but he did like many people do and did not really provide any context regarding Young's specific situation. Comparing him to C.J. Stroud's situation just doesn't do it for me because he didn't mention play calling and coaching. To Trapasso's credit, he did say that Stroud hasn't "done extreme heavy lifting operating Houstons offense," and said that Texans receivers (who some try to downplay here) are getting open "much more frequently" than what's going on here, but he basically intimated that Young is getting shook by a less than stellar line, while Stroud seems unaffected.

Trapasso also is suggesting that Young's best asset pre-draft was his improvisation. We've seen a flash or two of that, but I'd say that Young's processing was his best trait. All we can do is hope that with more experience and better coaching that things turn around. Otherwise, this is going to turn from an imperfect storm to the perfect storm to the sum of all fears. 

Let's hope that some of our fears are put to rest today.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/as-c-j-stroud-stars-for-texans-heres-why-bryce-youngs-first-few-starts-have-been-concerning/

 

Lol dawg you were giving me poo for saying Reich could be on the hot seat after this year or even gone now you’ve made up your mind too!

Edited October 8, 2023 by t96