Trapasso: Young's first few starts are concerning

[top dawg]

I'm a realist who tries to be objective before making up my mind. I have made up my mind about Frank Reich: nice guy, but uninspiring  head coach whose not situationally adept, and whose product is not conducive to winning a championship. I've made up my mind about Scott Fitterer: out-of-the-box thinker who gets waxed in deals because he's unable to appraise the value of his own players and hold other GM's feet to the fire, as well as being a somewhat sketchy talent evaluator.

Now, I haven't made up my mind on Bryce Young, and I think it's generally unfair to be making definitely negative statements about a rookie only three games in, QB or not. That being said, I am as concerned as any Panthers or Young fan about what I've seen. Chris Trapasso of CBS is concerned, but he has extra juice to back it up. 

 

"His efforts have been wholly uninspiring and ultra-conservative. They've lacked the creative brilliance we watched for two seasons at Alabama, and his weaknesses have been highlighted in each contest.

"From a statistical perspective, Young's current 4.9 yards-per-attempt average ranks 249th out of 261 quarterbacks in modern NFL history (since 1961) to attempt at least 75 passes in their first three professional starts (rookie year or not)."

"...even those who weren't completely enamored with Young -- like myself -- had to admit: the guy made tremendous off-script, outside-of-structure plays at Alabama look routine. 

"...Young's athleticism has been stretched to the limit. His pressure-to-sack rate of 22% is the 10th-highest in football (meaning he's been sacked 22% of the time he's been pressured). His overall sack rate is 9.6%, not brutally high for most rookie quarterbacks but decently alarming for a No. 1 overall pick who was tabbed as an improvisation specialist."

 

Trapasso's concerns are legit, but he did like many people do and did not really provide any context regarding Young's specific situation. Comparing him to C.J. Stroud's situation just doesn't do it for me because he didn't mention play calling and coaching. To Trapasso's credit, he did say that Stroud hasn't "done extreme heavy lifting operating Houstons offense," and said that Texans receivers (who some try to downplay here) are getting open "much more frequently" than what's going on here, but he basically intimated that Young is getting shook by a less than stellar line, while Stroud seems unaffected.

Trapasso also is suggesting that Young's best asset pre-draft was his improvisation. We've seen a flash or two of that, but I'd say that Young's processing was his best trait. All we can do is hope that with more experience and better coaching that things turn around. Otherwise, this is going to turn from an imperfect storm to the perfect storm to the sum of all fears. 

Let's hope that some of our fears are put to rest today.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/as-c-j-stroud-stars-for-texans-heres-why-bryce-youngs-first-few-starts-have-been-concerning/

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by top dawg

[LinvilleGorge]

In short, it's just not translating. Being a great college player doesn't automatically translate to being a great NFL player. There's a long history of great college players not translating to the NFL. It's usually one of three things. 1. The player lacks the physical tools to replicate the same success at the NFL level. 2. The player lacks the mental tools to replicate the same success at the NFL level. 3. Off-field stuff.

The primary factor limiting Bryce's success so far couldn't possibly be more obvious and it's not because he's a dummy on or off the field.

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, top dawg said:

"From a statistical perspective, Young's current 4.9 yards-per-attempt average ranks 249th out of 261 quarterbacks in modern NFL history (since 1961) to attempt at least 75 passes in their first three professional starts (rookie year or not)."

Honestly though, I knew it was bad but I had no idea it was THIS bad.

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

B-but he's in the top 3rd of all QBs throwing to the left side of the field on their own 23 yard line on 2nd and 11!!!!!

[Varking]

Seems like his issue with Young is his physical traits for his closing. And as he said, those don’t really change in the NFL. 

[frankw]

You can't unequivocally"make up your mind" on Bryce after 4 weeks. He doesn't have the body of work that Reich does that tells us this is just who our new head coach is. He is inept and a dinosaur.

But as for Bryce we cannot ignore the concerns that are rearing their head which were known when he was playing at Alabama. If these concerns do not dissipate to some degree as the season goes on the B word is inevitably going to enter the convo as much as some people who want to shout down any dissenting opinions want to deny it.

[Hoenheim]

I think the best perspective I can take on Bryce right now is, it doesn't look good so far but 3 games isn't a large enough sample size to make any hard judgements. 

 

The NFL off season is so long and adding the fact we're missing a  first rounder? Were going to have al the time in the world to over analyze his performance of his rookie season. I think a full year is a reasonable sample size to really critique and analyze 

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, frankw said:

You can't unequivocally"make up your mind" on Bryce after 4 weeks. He doesn't have the body of work that Reich does that tells us this is just who our new head coach is. He is inept and a dinosaur.

But as for Bryce we cannot ignore the concerns that are rearing their head which were known when he was playing at Alabama. If these concerns do not dissipate to some degree as the season goes on the B word is inevitably going to enter the convo as much as some people who want to shout down any dissenting opinions want to deny it.

If we don't see signs of hope over the next two games the primary Panthers discussions during the bye are likely going to revolve around Bryce and the B word. Stroud lighting it up and Richardson looking better early than most anyone would've predicted isn't helping matters.

[amcoolio]

14 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

In short, it's just not translating. Being a great college player doesn't automatically translate to being a great NFL player. There's a long history of great college players not translating to the NFL. It's usually one of three things. 1. The player lacks the physical tools to replicate the same success at the NFL level. 2. The player lacks the mental tools to replicate the same success at the NFL level. 3. Off-field stuff.

The primary factor limiting Bryce's success so far couldn't possibly be more obvious and it's not because he's a dummy on or off the field.

This isn't Johnny Manziel or Sam Darnold in college playing in a system - Bryce was an instinctive playmaker and thrower at Alabama, but it really does seem he's being controlled/micromanaged by Reich. And with all the hints from players and interviews and such, I believe that is the case.

I think Reich is a horrendous coach and worse than Rhule, who at least deferred the offense and defense and didn't try to micromanage in game.

[Call Me James]

He just hasn’t been good. Looks like a kid playing with the adults.

it’s cute, but he needs to grow up fast.

[Jackie Lee]

One of the biggest concerns is the fumbling. All the supporters argued "just because he's smaller doesn't mean he'll get hurt easier", but it's glaringly obvious he can be strip sacked by a large man barely grazing him with one arm. 

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, amcoolio said:

This isn't Johnny Manziel or Sam Darnold in college playing in a system 

No, it's quite the opposite. Manziel and Darnold didn't have it between the ears. Manziel was just an all around idiot and Darnold just didn't process information fast enough after the snap. Bryce just doesn't look to have the physical ability.

[GOAT]

he's a bust, we fugged up, it'll set us back years. period. 

[amcoolio]

4 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said:

One of the biggest concerns is the fumbling. All the supporters argued "just because he's smaller doesn't mean he'll get hurt easier", but it's glaringly obvious he can be strip sacked by a large man barely grazing him with one arm. 

Lawrence has fumbled twice in the redzone today in the same way and he's 6'6"