Peter King - deal Williams or Stewart for 1st round pick

[tyghtt05]

As far as age, like a wise man once said "it's not the age, it's the milage."

I think Williams can be well productive past 30.

Good point and I believe so as well. His first two years he ran behind Ol' Fumblin' Foster and only got about 35% of the carries so I think he's got a lot of gas to burn. Also, I don't want people to think ima Stewie hater. To be honest, I love 'em both and would personally prefer Double Trouble to be together forever.

[CRA]

Wow!! Someone with some sense on this board. I swear all these "Panther Fans" just want us to have a 1st round pick on draft day so they won't be bored. Also, I still cannot believe that most of you would want to trade DWill if we had to trade one. DWill is a top 5 back Stewie isn't, so what I'm tryin to say is DWill is the better RB.

true...but was Williams a top 5 back in this 2nd season?? No. The key is to time things right in the NFL. Stewart likely will get even better and better as time goes on.

I think Williams great success has blinded some to just how promising Stewart looks......he went for 1200 yards, 10 TDs on a bad wheel......Stewart is off to a great start and I think Williams has blocked some from looking at how Stewart may progress in the next few years. In a backup role.....his numbers are very impressive for a 2nd year player. Plus, Stewart proved in college and in the NFL.....he has the ability to play through injuries at a high level that would knock most RBs out. I can't wait to see him healthy.....that could be scary.

[panthers55]

Seems to me Williams would prefer the present system which allows him to get 1000 yards without burning him out. As for money the time to extend him is now for another 3 years. That means his contract will run through 2014. By that time he will be 31 and we will have gotten his best years. Because he is in a system with 2 guys he won't have to shoulder the whole load and should last longer than a guy like Turner who gets too many carries. To extend him we will have to give him a signing bonus of 9-10 million and a salary around 4 million similar to the contract of Maurice Jones Drew, or Brandon Jacobs. You could give him a roster bonus in 2012 or 2013 if he is still on the team as well. Williams this year only made 1.7 million which was below Stewart's 2.7 million. You don't have to break the bank in order to do right by him and the team. If you front load the signing bonus this year his cap hit could be as little as 4 million a year.

[tyghtt05]

true...but was Williams a top 5 back in this 2nd season?? No. The key is to time things right in the NFL. Stewart likely will get even better and better as time goes on.

I think Williams great success has blinded some to just how promising Stewart looks......he went for 1200 yards, 10 TDs on a bad wheel......Stewart is off to a great start and I think Williams has blocked some from looking at how Stewart may progress in the next few years. In a backup role.....his numbers are very impressive for a 2nd year player. Plus, Stewart proved in college and in the NFL.....he has the ability to play through injuries at a high level that would knock most RBs out. I can't wait to see him healthy.....that could be scary.

DWill never had a chance. Foxy was being entirely tooo loyal to Fumblin' Foster. Like I previously stated, It's a lot harder to run the ball when the opposing Defense knows thats all ur gonna do. Stewie started putting up big numbers cuz Moore established a passing game. DWill was putting up numbers when sorry Delhomme couldn't even complete a pass.

Ok, I give you that Stewie put up big numbers in his second season but he had almost a 100 more carries then DWill did his second season. Now, DWill finally gets his chance to be the man in Carolina and 40% of his carries are taken away by Stewie and he still puts up 1500+yard and 18TDs. Not tryin to make competition among teammates but sry DWill>Stewie!!

[Panthro]

So you accuse Fox of being too loyal? Hello Kettle...

[panthers55]

I would be tempted since we're a run-first offense and Williams is a special talent.

On top of that, there are lots of ways to structure a contract, the Panthers have a good revenue stream and we'll probably never see a salary cap again.

There will be a total salary cap and a rookie salary cap in 2011. Count on it.

[Darth Biscuit]

genius you say....hmmm im getting a reading

Well, at least you got that right... :thumbsup:

[tyghtt05]

So you accuse Fox of being too loyal? Hello Kettle...

To certain players Foxy is too loyal, but if you think im talking about Foxy being too loyal to DWill ur sadly mistaken.

[AKPantherFan]

Nobody trades first round picks for players that play a position that has the shortest career lifespan anymore

yEAH- Just like Ricky Williams or Hershel wALKER..

[AKPantherFan]

So are you ready to shell out a contract to Williams when he is 29 for 5 more years and 50 million? I'm not...

Thats John Foxish and Marty Huneyesque

i DOUBT Williams would request that type money.

He is close to home, he loves the team, and he seems like a loyal guy...

This is the same kid who gave up going to a big college just to stay close to his mom...

That could have cost him..

I think he believes in himself more than he does money.

I see a 5 year 35 million contract.

And thats one i would pay in a heartbeat..

[kdrh5]

yEAH- Just like Ricky Williams or Hershel wALKER..

Both examples you just gave were like 100 years ago.

[Boltergeist]

OK, I can understand the trepidation about trading one of them for a 1st, so here's a deal I thought of.

To Carolina: WR Malcom Floyd and a 2010 3rd round pick.

To San Diego: Williams or Stewart (take your pick)

With 2010 looking to be uncapped, Floyd will like be an RFA with one of the 2 high tenders, effectively taking you guys out of the running for singing him without dealing with us. IMO, Floyd has #1 upside, which he can't realize with VJ and Gates in SD. While he won't get that #1 chance in Carolina right off the bat, he could become a 1a in the next couple seasons and a 1 in 12 or 13. For now he'd be the field stretcher that would really help Moore's development as a starter and open up the offense.

It could be a risk for both teams as while you guys would be putting more trust in Sutton/Goodson in the backfield, we'd be doing the same with Naanee and Buster as our 2 (but I'd hope we'd get Benn/LaFell in the 1st or D. Thomas in the 2nd)

[AKPantherFan]

Both examples you just gave were like 100 years ago.

is that in dog years? Williams is still playing...

[DaCityKats]

OK, I can understand the trepidation about trading one of them for a 1st, so here's a deal I thought of.

To Carolina: WR Malcom Floyd and a 2010 3rd round pick.

To San Diego: Williams or Stewart (take your pick)

With 2010 looking to be uncapped, Floyd will like be an RFA with one of the 2 high tenders, effectively taking you guys out of the running for singing him without dealing with us. IMO, Floyd has #1 upside, which he can't realize with VJ and Gates in SD. While he won't get that #1 chance in Carolina right off the bat, he could become a 1a in the next couple seasons and a 1 in 12 or 13. For now he'd be the field stretcher that would really help Moore's development as a starter and open up the offense.

It could be a risk for both teams as while you guys would be putting more trust in Sutton/Goodson in the backfield, we'd be doing the same with Naanee and Buster as our 2 (but I'd hope we'd get Benn/LaFell in the 1st or D. Thomas in the 2nd)

worst trade ever.floyd is decent but not that good.