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better career when its all said and done vick or delhomme.

micnificent28

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You want stats? Actual numbers can be easily pulled from NFL.com and Pro Football Reference. As far as total games, Delhomme has both played more (97 to 86) and started more (79 to 67) but for comparison's sake we can check averages.

Here's the pertinent info:

ATTEMPTS, COMPLETIONS, PCT

Delhomme: 2755-1630 (59.2%)

Vick: 1743- 936 (53.7%)

Completion rate is the stat most commonly used to measure accuracy. Delhomme is higher. And yes, that includes this season's stats (all categories do).

TOTAL YARDS, YARDS PER GAME, YARDS PER ATTEMPT

Delhomme: 19892, 205.1, 7.2

Vick: 11591, 134.8, 6.7

More yards overall due to more games started, but also averaging more per game and per play.

TOUCHDOWNS (PASSING, RUSHING, PASS %

Delhomme: 123, 7, 4.5%

Vick: 72, 23, 4.1%

Here's where someone would look just at the gap between passing TDs and say "throw in Vick's rushing TDs". I have, along with Delhomme's. If you average TDs per game rather than attempt (so that you can factor in rushing TDs) Delhomme has 1.34 TDs per game, Vick has 1.10. Significant difference? No, but Delhomme is higher again.

INTERCEPTIONS, INTERCEPTION %

Delhomme: 94 (3.4%)

Vick: 52 (3%)

Jake has a lot more picks in total, but also way more pass attempts. When you do it as a percentage of their throws, Jake still has more, but by less than half of one percent. Again, despite more pass attempts, they're also about even in fumbles (Delhomme 56, Vick 58) but Delhomme has recovered more of his (16 to 9). As mentioned above, this does factor in this year's stats, a year when Delhomme played several games and Vick did spot duty.

SACKS, SACK YARDS

Delhomme: 160, 1200

Vick: 187, 1153

Despite playing in more games and attempting 1000 more passes, Delhomme has actually been sacked less and for fewer yards than Vick.

(for the record, mobile quarterbacks generally get sacked more than pocket passers, but everyone thinks it's the other way around)

QB RATING, RECORD, WINNING %

Delhomme: 82.1, 50-31-0 (61.7%)

Vick: 75.9, 38-28-1, (56.7%)

Again, someone will likely suggest it's unfair to compare passer rating with Vick (dumb argument, but someone will say it) so you can add in winning percentage as an additional comparison. Move it to the playoffs, and you find Delhomme has more games (9-4) more wins (5 to 2) and a better record (5-3, 63% to 2-2, 50%).

So as far as who's had the better overall career, if you go by the objective numbers, surprise, it's actually Delhomme. If you want to suggest it's Vick, the numbers are against you. You'd have to come up with some kind of goofball "stats don't matter" argument, which essentially means you have nothing to base it on but you want to believe it anyway.

(good luck with that) :sosp:

that is suprising for the most part...but i think jakes career is finished. he wont rack up much more in the stats department,i think someone will give vick a shot as a starter next season. i agree based on ur stats at this point delhommes career has been better.

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Actually, not really :nonod:

A lot of people talk about running QBs "changing the game" but it hasn't even come close to happening. These days, all of the best quarterbacks in the league are still pocket passers (more so now than ever) and no run-first QB has ever won a Super Bowl. At this point, I'm pretty sure none has even played in one.

Add in that a good number of teams had Vick figured out. Essentially, rush him hard and assign an athletic linebacker or safety to spy and you pretty much owned him. Kiffin at Tampa also always mush rushed him and forced him to run right, nullifying his ability to throw since Vick could never throw well from that side.

In the end, Vick came up with a lot of nice Sportscenter highlights, but as far as "changing the game"? Not even close. He'd have to have been a lot more successful as a starter for that to stick.

up until recent,steve was cosidered the premier dual threat qb and hes won super bowls. as for if another will ever win a super bowl, i think thats an unfair judgement because most qbs are pocket passers. theirs a much higher percentage of pocket passers than mobile qbs,i think one will win a super bowl in the near future be it mcnabb,vince,or some other unnamed qb.

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up until recent,steve was cosidered the premier dual threat qb and hes won super bowls. as for if another will ever win a super bowl, i think thats an unfair judgement because most qbs are pocket passers. theirs a much higher percentage of pocket passers than mobile qbs,i think one will win a super bowl in the near future be it mcnabb,vince,or some other unnamed qb.

Understand your categories:

Quarterbacks that can both run and pass (like Steve Young, John Elway and Steve McNair) are gold. These guys are the biggest threats any team can have.

Quarterbacks that can pass but can't run (i.e. Dan Marino, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc) are silver. You can win a Super Bowl with these guys just as easily as you can with the above, though the methods are different.

Quarterbacks that can run but can't pass (Michael Vick) are fool's gold. They'll get you a lot of cool highlights and even a decent number of regular season wins, but you won't win it all with this type. Playoff level teams pretty much always have defenses that can neutralize such players with relative ease.

Being mobile isn't what makes someone a run-first QB. Donovan McNabb is mobile. So is Brett Favre (or at least he once was) but both made their living as passers more than runners.

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A little tangent here...

For the record, the worst thing that ever happened to Vick was the firing of Dan Reeves. Reeves was actually trying to slowly convert Vick to being primarily a passer, and given time who knows? He might have succeeded.

Instead, the Falcons put his development in the hands of Jim Mora and Greg Knapp. These two, rather than trying to build the offense around Vick as Reeves was doing, brought in the West Coast, an offense for which Vick was poorly suited. The rest is history.

Make no mistake. Vick and Vick alone is responsible for his character failings (and they are important) but who knows how his football story might have been different if Atlanta hadn't pulled the plug on Reeves?

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Understand your categories:

Quarterbacks that can both run and pass (like Steve Young, John Elway and Steve McNair) are gold. These guys are the biggest threats any team can have.

Quarterbacks that can pass but can't run (i.e. Dan Marino, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, etc) are silver. You can win a Super Bowl with these guys just as easily as you can with the above, though the methods are different.

Quarterbacks that can run but can't pass (Michael Vick) are fool's gold. They'll get you a lot of cool highlights and even a decent number of regular season wins, but you won't win it all with this type. Playoff level teams pretty much always have defenses that can neutralize such players with relative ease.

Being mobile isn't what makes someone a run-first QB. Donovan McNabb is mobile. So is Brett Favre (or at least he once was) but both made their living as passers more than runners.

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A little tangent here...

For the record, the worst thing that ever happened to Vick was the firing of Dan Reeves. Reeves was actually trying to slowly convert Vick to being primarily a passer, and given time who knows? He might have succeeded.

Instead, the Falcons put his development in the hands of Jim Mora and Greg Knapp. These two, rather than trying to build the offense around Vick as Reeves was doing, brought in the West Coast, an offense for which Vick was poorly suited. The rest is history.

Make no mistake. Vick and Vick alone is responsible for his character failings (and they are important) but who knows how his football story might have been different if Atlanta hadn't pulled the plug on Reeves?

i agree with u on ur qb scale. i am in no meaning parading vick around as the greatest qb ever. i just dont dislike him like most. on the character issue i agree his failings are his own. with that said. i think he's the most gifted qb the nfl has ever seen. the potential like most draft experts said was limitless.their was no ceiling with vick and he was "suppose" to become the micheal jordan of the nfl. do i think he s lived up to that???hell no. do i think he ever will???? prob not. am i going no name him a bust????..no because he has had some success.this is whats great about football, u never know what going to happen next season.vick could be around another 7-8 seasons.

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