2010 season is looking more and more like a throw-away season...

[mountainpantherfan]

I'll start with your assessment of JR and say that many of the problems that have happened over the past couple of years, imo, were due to the mismanagement of the franshise by, not Jerry, but by his sons. Thus the reason they were fired and Morrison was brought in.

And I agree with Panther55 that Morrison is the key figure here. But I don't think it will take this entire season to see which way he is leaning. Many people are forgeting that Hurney's contract is actually up in June. If Hurney gets an extention then we may see the same for Fox or we could see both being shown the door within the next couple of weeks.

Next, I really do not understand why everyone continues to think that Delhomme will be here next season. If anything this is the perfect offseason to dump a overpaid QB. And like Mr. Scot has said, if you think JR, Fox and Hurney don't care about winning then you are delusional.

And finally, the whole Steelers comparisons. Can they please stop?!

As "great" as a team as they have been the past 40 years, look at the first 40 years to see the whole story. Formed in 1933, they didn't have their first winning season until 1942 and didn't make the playoffs until 1972. 1972. Thats 40 seasons without making the playoffs. And they didn't have their first back to back winning seasons as the Steelers until 1958/1959.

So can we please stop glorifing the Steelers when it is so obvious that it took them more than triple amount of time to accomplish some of the things it has only taken the Panthers two seasons to do?

[frash.exe]

Fox has the potential to bring forth a winning season, which is an improvement from last year as long as he keeps Jake delhomme from starting

this is an opportunity to look good because he won't get an extension as long as there is no cba so if there is a lockout he can wait it out and when the NFL returns he'll get an offer from Carolina or someone else

[PantherDude]

Because the owner should be the one with his hand in everything. Jerry lets Fox run the show.

Do you really know anything about the NFL business or something? Unless you really get inside his head, you don't know crap about what going on in JR's mind & it's quite insulting to make comments like that about him. He was a former football player, for peak's sake!! He does care about winning more than you think. If he doesn't, maybe Fox would've gotten a new contract by now than JR not giving him a new one yet. Why don't you meet him & a have talk with him about the business? Maybe then you will change your mind & take back what your mouth said about if he care about the team or not than just making money.

And of course he make money. Every other 31 owners in the NFL does too. Geez!!

[Wither]

Which is why we're in the predicament we're in now...business IS screwed up!

No, no it's not.

A business is bigger than just one season or one coach.

Also, I think the reason why I made this thread might be misinterpreted. I'm predicting unless something spectacular happens like going to the Super Bowl or starting out hot like 11-0 (either not likely to happen), Fox/Hurney/Jake will be gone after 2010.

No it's not. Just read your thread title.

[Snake]

[err456]

When the only person you can get to agree with you is G-man, it is this thread which is a throwaway.

I don't agree with most of your assumptions. Richardson is not a hand offs owner. No one who runs a franchise worth almost a billion dollars would be. But he does have people who are paid to handle the details. But he knows what is going on and has a say in everything. He just does it behind the scenes and out of the press.

Fox is going to have a big year as are the Panthers. Not based on their schedule but based on the momentum they found and the coaches they hired,(meeks in particular). What we have missed since 2006 is a good defense and we have that now. The offense will be upgraded at wide receiver. Fox is playing for an extension or an audition for his next job so the team will be primed and ready to go. Moore will be ready given this is his big chance to start.

The point of inviting the coaches back was to give the President time to make his evaluations and not throw out the good with the bad. What has Pittsburgh done? Fired an offensive line coach?? Big deal. They haven't made big changes either. Everyone talks a good game but in the end do little.

You can doom and gloom all you want but 2009 was the throw away season. We found our defense, the quarterback of the future, have 2 1000 yard rushers and once we shore up the wide receiver spot will have exactly what we need to go deep in the playoffs.

Frankly I couldn't disagree with your asesssment more.

You really are an eterneal optimist!

I happen to agree with your post.

[AceMan]

Do you really know anything about the NFL business or something? Unless you really get inside his head, you don't know crap about what going on in JR's mind & it's quite insulting to make comments like that about him. He was a former football player, for peak's sake!! He does care about winning more than you think. If he doesn't, maybe Fox would've gotten a new contract by now than JR not giving him a new one yet. Why don't you meet him & a have talk with him about the business? Maybe then you will change your mind & take back what your mouth said about if he care about the team or not than just making money.

And of course he make money. Every other 31 owners in the NFL does too. Geez!!

Maybe if JR let us know just a lil bit of what's going on, then maybe we would all be on the same page. Geez, we all know EVERY owner wants to win. That's not the problem...the problem is we're finanically strapped to guys the owner doesn't believe in or questions and our owner seems like he doesn't want to take the cap hit to make any changes.

Also, I didn't know I couldn't question such a great man in JR. I guess I shouldn't question John Fox because he's the best coach our franchise ever had and Jake Delhomme because he's the best quarterback our franchise ever had.

No, no it's not.

A business is bigger than just one season or one coach.

Ok, so why are people jumping up and down because I said it is likely that JR is "throwing away" one season in order to make a better business move?

No it's not. Just read your thread title.

:facepalm:

Read my first post.

-Theory

-JR owes John Fox 6 mil and Jake Delhomme 13 mil

-JR does not want to take the cap hit to cut these guys, even though he don't want them.

-JR decides to keep all of these guys, note inviting ALL staff back, and thinks of the 2010 season as an "it is what it is" season. The response to this is this was done to give the team president time to evaluate...which is speculation.

-Why keep them? To be in a better business position to get rid of these guys next season.

-Therefore, he "throws away" one season in order to save money and put himself/the franchise in a better position in the future.

It's really not that hard to believe. I'm interested on what we plan to do with Hurney since his contract is up in June though.

[HSCBandit07]

What if we win the Superbowl next year and it basically goes unnoticed because everyone is worried about the 2011 season:willy_nilly:

[err456]

Read my first post.

-Theory

-JR owes John Fox 6 mil and Jake Delhomme 13 mil

-JR does not want to take the cap hit to cut these guys, even though he don't want them.

-JR decides to keep all of these guys, note inviting ALL staff back, and thinks of the 2010 season as an "it is what it is" season. The response to this is this was done to give the team president time to evaluate...which is speculation.

-Why keep them? To be in a better business position to get rid of these guys next season.

-Therefore, he "throws away" one season in order to save money and put himself/the franchise in a better position in the future.

It's really not that hard to believe. I'm interested on what we plan to do with Hurney since his contract is up in June though

Interesting:

Maybe JR can have his cake and eat it to.

He owes them big money so he keeps them here knowing Fox wants to have a big year to give himself a future.

If Fox does well JR will be in a position to keep him if he does not he can let him walk.

If Fox does well this season it's not thrown away. I think he will try to do well.(He has to keep Jake on the bench if at all possible though)

[HSCBandit07]

JR doesn't have to worry about paying players in 2011 (if I understand correctly). An uncapped season and a possibility of no 2011 season would cause owners IMO to go all out next year. As long as fox will be back (and I'm sure he will be regardless) next season is an opportunity to splurge a little. I'm sure merch sales won't drop off too much and owners will be hurting too bad. I really don't know a whole lot about the situation but at worst, next year is a status quo year and I think we are in a good position staff and player wise to be successful. What I really wonder about is the draft situation after next season. Will there be a draft if there is a lockout? What are the college seniors supposed to do next season?

[random]

2009 was our throw away season it took us over half the season to find our future qb to bad jakes still goona be here, fox would be crazy to start him,but it seems like they were born joined at the hips.

[panthers55]

Maybe if JR let us know just a lil bit of what's going on, then maybe we would all be on the same page. Geez, we all know EVERY owner wants to win. That's not the problem...the problem is we're finanically strapped to guys the owner doesn't believe in or questions and our owner seems like he doesn't want to take the cap hit to make any changes.

Also, I didn't know I couldn't question such a great man in JR. I guess I shouldn't question John Fox because he's the best coach our franchise ever had and Jake Delhomme because he's the best quarterback our franchise ever had.

Ok, so why are people jumping up and down because I said it is likely that JR is "throwing away" one season in order to make a better business move?

:facepalm:

Read my first post.

-Theory

-JR owes John Fox 6 mil and Jake Delhomme 13 mil

-JR does not want to take the cap hit to cut these guys, even though he don't want them.

-JR decides to keep all of these guys, note inviting ALL staff back, and thinks of the 2010 season as an "it is what it is" season. The response to this is this was done to give the team president time to evaluate...which is speculation.

-Why keep them? To be in a better business position to get rid of these guys next season.

-Therefore, he "throws away" one season in order to save money and put himself/the franchise in a better position in the future.

It's really not that hard to believe. I'm interested on what we plan to do with Hurney since his contract is up in June though.

No one is jumping up and down, we just don't agree that your analysis is accurate or less speculative than the alternative we have posted.

JR has a coach that wins in the NFL and never has been worse than 1 game below .500. He has a history of doing well when we have a good defense, good quarterback play and a good running game. We have all three going into 2010. Fox is paid no more than we would be paying anyone so it is not a cash issue.

Jake is going to be there because he is due 13 million but not as the starter, more likely the back up which gives us 2 quarterbacks with starting expereince which is more than most teams.

And the reality is that Hurney will likely be here unless they have been grooming someone for his job all along.

Instead of being a throw away year everything is lined up for a playoff run next year.

And the reports about folks being back due to Morrison needing time to evaluate them with him in command is reported by several sources as the reason they are back. Hardly speculation.

Instead of throwing anything away, he is giving Fox everything he needs to prove he can bring us a championship if we can fix a few pieces like get wide receiver help and depth in some positions.

Instead of depressed, I am actually pretty excited about this year.

[HSCBandit07]

Here here. I'm not too worried about the Peppers situation either. If he can lock up a HUGE contract with the Panthers or find another team crazy enough to compensate for another franchise tag then great. If not then it is in his best interest to take another franchise tag and rack up some big bucks next season in the possible event of a lockout in 2011. I either see us making him the highest paid player in the league or franchising him. He would be stupid (or really dedicated to the Panthers which I doubt) to accept anything less.

[Panthers_Lover]

Maybe if JR let us know just a lil bit of what's going on, then maybe we would all be on the same page. Geez, we all know EVERY owner wants to win. That's not the problem...the problem is we're finanically strapped to guys the owner doesn't believe in or questions and our owner seems like he doesn't want to take the cap hit to make any changes.

Also, I didn't know I couldn't question such a great man in JR. I guess I shouldn't question John Fox because he's the best coach our franchise ever had and Jake Delhomme because he's the best quarterback our franchise ever had.

Ok, so why are people jumping up and down because I said it is likely that JR is "throwing away" one season in order to make a better business move?

:facepalm:

Read my first post.

-Theory

-JR owes John Fox 6 mil and Jake Delhomme 13 mil

-JR does not want to take the cap hit to cut these guys, even though he don't want them.

-JR decides to keep all of these guys, note inviting ALL staff back, and thinks of the 2010 season as an "it is what it is" season. The response to this is this was done to give the team president time to evaluate...which is speculation.

-Why keep them? To be in a better business position to get rid of these guys next season.

-Therefore, he "throws away" one season in order to save money and put himself/the franchise in a better position in the future.

It's really not that hard to believe. I'm interested on what we plan to do with Hurney since his contract is up in June though.

Mr. Richardson has always been a quiet businessman ... a very successful, quiet businessman. It's not his style to "let us know" what's going on. Trust me, he knows what's going on, through and through ... and the new president is the same type.