2010 season is looking more and more like a throw-away season...

[Montsta]

When the only person you can get to agree with you is G-man, it is this thread which is a throwaway.

I don't agree with most of your assumptions. Richardson is not a hand offs owner. No one who runs a franchise worth almost a billion dollars would be. But he does have people who are paid to handle the details. But he knows what is going on and has a say in everything. He just does it behind the scenes and out of the press.

Fox is going to have a big year as are the Panthers. Not based on their schedule but based on the momentum they found and the coaches they hired,(meeks in particular). What we have missed since 2006 is a good defense and we have that now. The offense will be upgraded at wide receiver. Fox is playing for an extension or an audition for his next job so the team will be primed and ready to go. Moore will be ready given this is his big chance to start.

The point of inviting the coaches back was to give the President time to make his evaluations and not throw out the good with the bad. What has Pittsburgh done? Fired an offensive line coach?? Big deal. They haven't made big changes either. Everyone talks a good game but in the end do little.

You can doom and gloom all you want but 2009 was the throw away season. We found our defense, the quarterback of the future, have 2 1000 yard rushers and once we shore up the wide receiver spot will have exactly what we need to go deep in the playoffs.

Frankly I couldn't disagree with your asesssment more.

And BINGO was his name-o.

[CarolinaPride5]

Answer to your trivia question : I think it's maybe. Our schedule is MUCH easier, which is another reason I think we make the playoffs. I almost want to say yes even with Jake as our QB.

[JJT]

Excellent thread! Ive said it over and over again the panthers lower the bar on their expectations every year. They seem happy with being a mediocre and inconsistent franchise as long as they dont have double digit losses every year. Thats why they will never be an elite franchise like the steelers, packers, cowboys, patriots, etc. They do not strive to be the best like those teams do.

The object of the game is to make money.

[panthers55]

Also, I think the reason why I made this thread might be misinterpreted. I'm predicting unless something spectacular happens like going to the Super Bowl or starting out hot like 11-0 (either not likely to happen), Fox/Hurney/Jake will be gone after 2010.

Jake was never going to be here for his whole contract which is why they have options to void it after 2010, so that is not even an issue.

Will Fox or Hurney be here? Hard to say but I suspect the decision wil be harder given we will make the playoffs next year. I think Richardson will be watching everythiing very closely.

[Gman was right]

When the only person you can get to agree with you is G-man, it is this thread which is a throwaway.

I don't agree with most of your assumptions. Richardson is not a hand offs owner. No one who runs a franchise worth almost a billion dollars would be. But he does have people who are paid to handle the details. But he knows what is going on and has a say in everything. He just does it behind the scenes and out of the press.

Fox is going to have a big year as are the Panthers. Not based on their schedule but based on the momentum they found and the coaches they hired,(meeks in particular). What we have missed since 2006 is a good defense and we have that now. The offense will be upgraded at wide receiver. Fox is playing for an extension or an audition for his next job so the team will be primed and ready to go. Moore will be ready given this is his big chance to start.

The point of inviting the coaches back was to give the President time to make his evaluations and not throw out the good with the bad. What has Pittsburgh done? Fired an offensive line coach?? Big deal. They haven't made big changes either. Everyone talks a good game but in the end do little.

You can doom and gloom all you want but 2009 was the throw away season. We found our defense, the quarterback of the future, have 2 1000 yard rushers and once we shore up the wide receiver spot will have exactly what we need to go deep in the playoffs.

Frankly I couldn't disagree with your asesssment more.

And of coarse all that momentum gets thrown out the window when Fox gives Jake his starting job back next year simply because he doesnt want to look like a fool for giving him so much money to be a backup. You have openly said that you want Jake starting again next year so we all know not to take your opinions very seriously. If the panthers have a good year it will only be because Matt Moore started and because the schedule is so soft.

The season just ended. What moves were the steelers supposed to make when free agency and the draft havent even started yet? They fired the offensive line coach because its been a glaring weakness the last two years contrast to the Panthers who have struggled on ST's for the last 5 years but they still keep Danny Crossman around.

The point of inviting the coaches back was because Jerry doesnt want to buy out Fox's contract. Thats why he hasnt given him an extension and has allowed Fox to explore other options. I know you love Fox but its clear that even JR doesnt trust him anymore.

[Gman was right]

The object of the game is to make money.

That probably is JR's mentality. Which is why the panthers will never win a super bowl.

[panthers55]

And of coarse all that momentum gets thrown out the window when Fox gives Jake his starting job back next year simply because he doesnt want to look like a fool for giving him so much money to be a backup. You have openly said that you want Jake starting again next year so we all know not to take your opinions very seriously. If the panthers have a good year it will only be because Matt Moore started and because the schedule is so soft.

The season just ended. What moves were the steelers supposed to make when free agency and the draft havent even started yet? They fired the offensive line coach because its been a glaring weakness the last two years contrast to the Panthers who have struggled on ST's for the last 5 years but they still keep Danny Crossman around.

The point of inviting the coaches back was because Jerry doesnt want to buy out Fox's contract. Thats why he hasnt given him an extension and has allowed Fox to explore other options. I know you love Fox but its clear that even JR doesnt trust him anymore.

Wrong again on most counts. I am fine with Moore starting as long as he picks up where he left off. And we all know that basing next year's schedule off how they finish this year is inaccurate at best. As for what will the steelers do coach wise, not much or they would be doing it already. As for players, who knows.

The only thing I agree with you on is that Crossman should be fired.

As for Fox, what I said regrding the president has been repeated by several respected sources. What you said has been repeated by Aceman. I know who I trust and it isn't the two of you. LOL

[Gman was right]

Wrong again on most counts. I am fine with Moore starting as long as he picks up where he left off. And we all know that basing next year's schedule off how they finish this year is inaccurate at best. As for what will the steelers do coach wise, not much or they would be doing it already. As for players, who knows.

The only thing I agree with you on is that Crossman should be fired.

As for Fox, what I said regrding the president has been repeated by several respected sources. What you said has been repeated by Aceman. I know who I trust and it isn't the two of you. LOL

Oh so now you're pretending you didnt argue with the whole forum two weeks ago about how Jake should be given a chance to start again despite how well Matt Moore played? LMAO....like I said, its easy not to take your opinions seriously when you lie and throw out crap like that.

You're the one that just got done saying they'll do well next year because of momentum now you're saying its inaccurate to assume that? Make up your mind son.

"Sources":smilielol5:

I love people who claim to have inside sources. 9 times out 10 they are wrong. If Fox wasnt on the hot seat and Jerry still thought that highly of him then he would have been locked up long term a long time ago. Jerry has learned from his mistake. He gave Fox a 5 year deal after the 2005 season and since then Fox delivered only 1 winning season. He has no reason to give him an extension and even gave him the option to leave if he wanted to. Seriously, you dont have to have a "source" to see what that means. :smilielol5:

[AceMan]

Answer to your trivia question : I think it's maybe. Our schedule is MUCH easier, which is another reason I think we make the playoffs. I almost want to say yes even with Jake as our QB.

You are an optimistic guy. Especially since we lost all the so called easy games with Delhomme at the helm.

Once again you are kitchen sinking mixed in with chicken little sky is falling logic. Wait until there is something is whine and complain about. It is still January for crying out loud. And if you didn't care what anyone thought you wouldn't throw out a thread a page long and defend it all day long. it would just help to get your facts stright next time and argue from facts instead of inaccurate speculation.

Overall this thread is a fail.

I shortened your reply, but you keep insinuating that I'm trying to bring "gloom" and what not. Just because I don't care what people who disagree say doesn't mean I won't argue my point. The bolded part is extremely ironic because we don't even know what will happen next season. What we do know is we finished 8-8 after finishing 12-4 the year before. So until something happens, I would think "whining" or showing some disappointment would be justied. You guys can ignore facts and NFL logic and think the rainbow is just on the other side for the Carolina Panthers, but will be sorely disappointed...just like many Delhomme supporters.

I just think it is funny that we're talking about making a big splash next year based off of 4-5 games this past season when nothing has happened yet. But, we don't want to believe the stuff that we DO know right now. Also, nice that you continue to ignore any negative fact about the team or staff. Fox was on the hot seat at the beginning of the year for sticking with Jake. It was all over. I remember Jerome Bettis stated something along the lines of Jake and Fox going down together. I clearly remember alot of arguments used for Fox was "Fox wouldn't risk his job to start Jake. He wants to win." at the beginning of the year. Fox just doesn't have what it takes anymore. How many excuses are we going to make for this guy?

But you know what, you guys can keep thinking that JR won't extend Fox due to the lockout and we will play great due to the momentum and everything will be gravy. It is what it is. That is the type of season we will have in 2010.

As for Hurney Fox or Delhomme leaving after 2010, what does that have to do with 2010 which is what we are discussing?

This.

Also, I think the reason why I made this thread might be misinterpreted. I'm predicting unless something spectacular happens like going to the Super Bowl or starting out hot like 11-0 (either not likely to happen), Fox/Hurney/Jake will be gone after 2010.

[carolinanimal]

i have said this in other threads. if you have confidence in your head coach to lead you to a superbowl and lead your team you keep him around, if not you should part ways. fox not having an extension, shows a lack of confidence in him and rightfully so. i mean he is already one of the longest tenured coaches, albeit w/o back to back winning season.

[Mr. Scot]

Said before, and will say again: The notion that Richardson doesn't care about winning is utterly stupid and completely without merit

Every single one of the arguments made to suggest it boil down to one statement:

"He's not running the team the way I think he should."

Guess what? That argument doesn't carry any weight, none at all.

[panthers55]

Oh so now you're pretending you didnt argue with the whole forum two weeks ago about how Jake should be given a chance to start again despite how well Matt Moore played? LMAO....like I said, its easy not to take your opinions seriously when you lie and throw out crap like that.

You're the one that just got done saying they'll do well next year because of momentum now you're saying its inaccurate to assume that? Make up your mind son.

"Sources":smilielol5:

I love people who claim to have inside sources. 9 times out 10 they are wrong. If Fox wasnt on the hot seat and Jerry still thought that highly of him then he would have been locked up long term a long time ago. Jerry has learned from his mistake. He gave Fox a 5 year deal after the 2005 season and since then Fox delivered only 1 winning season. He has no reason to give him an extension and even gave him the option to leave if he wanted to. Seriously, you dont have to have a "source" to see what that means. :smilielol5:

Correct. I didn't say that Jake should start because I have no idea how he will play next year. What I am in favor of is having an open competition and picking the guy who plays the best. I wouldn't give it to Jake nor would I give it to Moore. Competition is what brings out the best in players and is necessary at this point.

And I have said ad nauseum that I have no inside sources. I do however follow what is said by people who are on the inside or who talk to players, coaches and the like. And these sources say that no decision was made so that the new president would have time in order to evaluate things and make his decisions. Fox has only delivered one losing season in the past five as well. With the lock out looming the amount of decisions that are made with that issue at it's heart should make all of us pretty worried. As for letting him leave, Richardson is smart to give Fox the option. That way if he wants to go elsewhere you save some serious money plus this shows the league and perhaps our next coach that Richardson is a fair guy who treats folks well. It is a win -win and in my opinion does not indicate we don't want Fox. It does show that Richardson may be ready to move on and does have some concerns about Fox. His feelings are likely in the middle not one extreme or the other as you suggest.

[random]

Well, you've certainly lived up to your screenname with your first post.

:confused:

Thank You. I was so excited it was my first post and someone replied to it YEAH!!!!!

[Panthers_Lover]

Yeah, I think I'll just skip watching my Panthers in 2010 ... wake me up in 2011.