Mr “I won’t stand up for Mediocrity” observes practice today

[CamWhoaaCam]

42 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Even if Tepper was 100% sure it was the wrong hire, under no circumstances can he fire him during the season.

This franchise is a mess right now, if you hire someone as respected around the league as Reich is, let him assemble the all star staff that he did, and then fire him in the middle of his first season, NOBODY is going to want that job next year.

There is no chance we'd be able to hire an up and coming coach, most coaches get one shot at being a HC and if they fail, they never get another, they're not going to risk that one chance on this situation.  We'd be stuck choosing from a bunch of re-tread options yet again and be underwhelmed by whoever the choice is.

I don't think you can even fire him after the first season either as it's the same situation, the odds of a young up and coming coach wanting to risk his potentially one shot at a HC job on Bryce, seem very low.  I also still think Tepper knows the analytics say that GM's and HC's that aren't hired in tandem, tend to fail and he hasn't hired them in tandem yet and that will be his next move.

My best guess is that after the season (or maybe during it) Fitterer gets fired and Morgan is promoted to GM.  Then Morgan and Reich get this offseason and next season to try and fix things, if they can't, they're both gone.  

But even then, if we're bad enough to get them both fired with Bryce still only 2 years into his career, it might be tough to get a good enough HC candidate to take the job and bet on Bryce.  If that happens, I feel like we'll go with the Lovie Smith route, hire some re-tread as a sacrificial lamb (while keeping Morgan as the GM), let them fail for a season to get us a top draft pick in 2026 and hope we can attract a young offensive minded coach with that pick being theirs to choose a new QB with.

 

Who wanted the job last year?

 

We aren't a attractive destination until we prove we can draft a franchise QB. The top tier coaches want a team they can actually win with.

[tukafan21]

5 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Who wanted the job last year?

 

We aren't a attractive destination until we prove we can draft a franchise QB. The top tier coaches want a team they can actually win with.

So your solution to being an unattractive destination is to fire the HC halfway through his first season after trading away our future to take an undersized QB... and you think that's going to make us a MORE attractive option?

You're literally asking us to cut off our nose to spite our face thinking it's going to make us a beauty queen.

This team isn't getting fixed overnight, people need to stop overreacting and just accept that we're not going to be good for a few years, deal with it, and embrace building this team back up the correct way.

It won't be fun, but it's just what we have to do or we'll keep shooting ourselves in the foot and not get anywhere.

My suggestion... find something else to care deeply about during this time of year for the next couple years.  For me, I'm all in on Wrexham AFC, the show hooked me last year and I've become a serious fan of the club, gives me some enjoyment this time of year to follow them and just let the Panthers slowly burn to hell in the background.

Edited October 6, 2023 by tukafan21

[TLGPanthersFan]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

So your solution to being an unattractive destination is to fire the HC halfway through his first season after trading away our future to take an undersized QB... and you think that's going to make us a MORE attractive option?

You're literally asking us to cut off our nose to spite our face thinking it's going to make us a beauty queen.

This team isn't getting fixed overnight, people need to stop overreacting and just accept that we're not going to be good for a few years, deal with it, and embrace building this team back up the correct way.

It won't be fun, but it's just what we have to do or we'll keep shooting ourselves in the foot and not get anywhere.

My suggestion... find something else to care deeply about during this time of year for the next couple years.  For me, I'm all in on Wrexham AFC, the show hooked me last year and I've become a serious fan of the club, gives me some enjoyment this time of year to follow them and just let the Panthers slowly burn to hell in the background.

Ya gotta wait till at least December before you fire Reich. 

[CamWhoaaCam]

3 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

So your solution to being an unattractive destination is to fire the HC halfway through his first season after trading away our future to take an undersized QB... and you think that's going to make us a MORE attractive option?

You're literally asking us to cut off our nose to spite our face thinking it's going to make us a beauty queen.

This team isn't getting fixed overnight, people need to stop overreacting and just accept that we're not going to be good for a few years, deal with it, and embrace building this team back up the correct way.

It won't be fun, but it's just what we have to do or we'll keep shooting ourselves in the foot and not get anywhere.

My suggestion... find something else to care deeply about during this time of year for the next couple years.  For me, I'm all in on Wrexham AFC, the show hooked me last year and I've become a serious fan of the club, gives me some enjoyment this time of year to follow them and just let the Panthers slowly burn to hell in the background.

My man we are not an attractive situation period. 

 

I'm trying to understand why you think we will be more attractive because we kept Frank for the entire season. That has nothing to do with our roster. The top tier HC's are looking for a talented roster with a QB they can possibly win with.

 

 

[Swirly]

It's funny, I was looking back at one of Tepper's old press conference's and he said "Rome wasn't built in a day". I think we actually are on Rome's timeline of how long it took to get built.

[TLGPanthersFan]

20 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

This is absolute nonsense

Ryans refused to even interview with us, Johnson removed his name from consideration after interviewing, and we couldn't get Steichen either.

The young, up and coming HC candidates wanted nothing to do with us last offseason, having a possible bust at QB, no first round pick, and firing a coach in the middle of his first season isn't going to create more interest in our job.

Yes, of course there will be people who want the job because there are only 32 of them, but they're not going to be the people that we want to hire for the job.  They're going to be past HC's who have been bad in the past and lost their jobs because of it, we're not going to get a young innovative mind who will take that job, they'll put a Ben Johnson and stay for another season to wait for a better opportunity.

Agree to disagree. 

[Waldo]

31 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

This is absolute nonsense

Ryans refused to even interview with us, Johnson removed his name from consideration after interviewing, and we couldn't get Steichen either.

The young, up and coming HC candidates wanted nothing to do with us last offseason, having a possible bust at QB, no first round pick, and firing a coach in the middle of his first season isn't going to create more interest in our job.

Yes, of course there will be people who want the job because there are only 32 of them, but they're not going to be the people that we want to hire for the job.  They're going to be past HC's who have been bad in the past and lost their jobs because of it, we're not going to get a young innovative mind who will take that job, they'll put a Ben Johnson and stay for another season to wait for a better opportunity.

Your right about most. It could be done and properly. Frank is obviously failing here with the same issues he had at his last job and also never underestimate well placed blame. Rhule had most fans convinced Teddy was a problem but it turned out they threw him under the bus and he was 100% right when Rhule proved it over the next year and a half.

The problem is that expecting anything being done properly at this point is absurd. I don't think Tepper could pull it off but I do think it could be done at the begging of the bye week even given the history. Tepper giving the presser alone guarantees it will go poorly. 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Waldo

[TLGPanthersFan]

13 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Coaches know they generally only get one shot at succeeding as a HC and if they fail, it's much harder to get another chance

But of course the Panthers were the team to give a failed HC another chance. SMH. 

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

But of course the Panthers were the team to give a failed HC another chance. SMH. 

Because the young up and coming HC candidates wanted nothing to do with us

[tukafan21]

11 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

My man we are not an attractive situation period. 

 

I'm trying to understand why you think we will be more attractive because we kept Frank for the entire season. That has nothing to do with our roster. The top tier HC's are looking for a talented roster with a QB they can possibly win with.

 

 

You continue to show that you have no idea how this league works and view everything through the lens of a Madden player and not the real world NFL.

We're not more attractive because we kept Reich for the entire season, we're just not LESS attractive because we fired a HC in the middle of his first season, there is a significant difference between the two.  Firing Reich mid-season in his first year, after making the trade for Bryce is a signal to the rest of the league that this is a job to run away from, not towards.

The top tier HC candidates almost never go to a team with a talented roster and QB they can possibly win with, as those jobs very rarely open up to begin with.  The top tier HC candidates go to teams with high draft picks to take a new QB and a roster with a small handful of players who you hope can be the foundation of the new regime.

Edited October 6, 2023 by tukafan21

[cookinbrak]

4 hours ago, Dave Gettleman's Shorts said:

Nicole must be mad at him

"Why isn't Taylor Swift at our games!!!??"

[dxpanther]

4 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

If Tepper fires Frank in the coming weeks it will give me some hope. At least he recognizes he made the wrong hire.

yup that'll make this place attractive to a quality head coach to come to. It's hard enough getting good candidates in the door as is. Demeco Ryans turned down a visit here because he know this place is defunct. what's firing a new head coach after four games going to look like?

[jb2288]

2 hours ago, Shotgun said:

  how much would Tepper have to pay him to commit career suicide? I'm thinkin a billion.

Honestly it’s not the worst situation for a new HC. I think most in NFL circles and people in general not on this board still really like Bryce. If Corbett coming back somewhat fixes the OL and we get aggressive in the offseason to sign a true WR1… let’s Evero do his thing on the other side. I’d be interested as a younger offensive minded coach. 

[pantherj]

50 minutes ago, cookinbrak said:

"Why isn't Taylor Swift at our games!!!??"

Give it time. She dates a lot of dudes, she'll land on a Panthers player sooner or later.