Why does everyone want to trade J-Stew?

[panthers55]

I'm not sure Otah is 6 rounds and a 1st rd pick better than Schwartz.

People like to speculate about the possibillities. Thank god the management doesn't listen to us, I wouldn't worry about it.

p.s. I'd trade Williams first.

That is more a testament to how well Schwartz has come on rather than a knock on Otah. It also is a testament to Magazu as well. Both he and Bernadeau were very pleasant surprises.

Lets see what it takes to keep Williams before we decide whether to trade him or not. Frankly I think with the emergence of Moore there is both the precedence that we may be able to find a quarterback somewhere else than in the first round and that the need may shift more to wide receiver than quarterback at this point.

[jpniner]

We don't need to take drastic measures like trading our best players to bring in some big-name FA... we can take smaller steps and still find quality out there, we just have to be smart.

Would the Panthers have been better or worse off if they had either Traded Dan Morgan or Witherspoon, while giving the other the big contract? Instead one walked, because the Market deemed his worth more than Panthers could afford to pay with Salary Cap.

Likely what will end up happening if we make no trade and re-sign D-Will is that Stewart will go to another team in Free Agency and we get no compensation other than the years service we get with Double Trouble.

How many yrs does Stew have left on his rookie contract?

[Sandy Claws]

Read that statement again: Greatest Rushing Duo in the History of the NFL.

MAYBE just a touch of Homer in that. Harris and Bleier were #7 and #9 overall RBs in the league in 1976 having run for a combined 2164 yards which was 154.5 ypg (14 game season). Stewart and Williams finished #9 & #13 having run for a combined 2250 yards which is only 140.6 ypg. Perspective.

[panthers55]

Would the Panthers have been better or worse off if they had either Traded Dan Morgan or Witherspoon, while giving the other the big contract? Instead one walked, because the Market deemed his worth more than Panthers could afford to pay with Salary Cap.

Likely what will end up happening if we make no trade and re-sign D-Will is that Stewart will go to another team in Free Agency and we get no compensation other than the years service we get with Double Trouble.

How many yrs does Stew have left on his rookie contract?

Witherspoon's contract and Morgan's came up at the same time. Williams and Stewart's don't. Williams is a free agent (probably restricted) after 2010 and I guess we extend this offfseason. Stewart is under contract through 2012. Who knows what happens by then, we might have a new coach and go in an entirely different direction.

[Puresteel55]

I certainly don't want to trade Stew! If there was going to be any trading of a valued player to get picks, it would be Gross. Personally, I think he is overrated. I think we could use either Otah or Wharton @ left tackle and either Schwartz or Otah at right and it wouldn't change a thing.

Additionally, I think it's time to dump Kemo. At 350 lbs, I think it is a gamble that he will totally heal from his current injury. I think others will note this therefore I don't know what his trade value will be.

However between these 2, we should be able to get some decent 2nd to mid round picks where we could get the receivers and d-linemen that we need.

Breaking up Double Trouble would make the NFL networks top 10 list of the biggest bone head moves in NFL history. This tandem, especially with it's chemistry, is something that has never happened in the past and may never happen again. It is a gift from GOD and you don't trade blessings away.

Get Moore 2 more REAL weapons and our offense will average mid-30's in points!

[Swarly]

That is more a testament to how well Schwartz has come on rather than a knock on Otah. It also is a testament to Magazu as well. Both he and Bernadeau were very pleasant surprises.

Lets see what it takes to keep Williams before we decide whether to trade him or not. Frankly I think with the emergence of Moore there is both the precedence that we may be able to find a quarterback somewhere else than in the first round and that the need may shift more to wide receiver than quarterback at this point.

Right now I'd rather pick up a QB in free agency for Moore to compete with at the start of 2010. This is a weak quarterback class and without a 1st round we have no leverage to get up and select Bradford or Clausen(who I think is the most NFL ready quarterback in the draft).

Might as well fill other needs such as WR and wait until Jake Locker comes in next year. There will always be another draft. Once you trade Stewie or DWill or whoever they're gone. For good, no coming back. Unless front office does some stupid poo and trades future picks again, we'll be right back in the 1st next year, hopefully with the 32nd pick

[SCPantherFan90]

MAYBE just a touch of Homer in that. Harris and Bleier were #7 and #9 overall RBs in the league in 1976 having run for a combined 2164 yards which was 154.5 ypg (14 game season). Stewart and Williams finished #9 & #13 having run for a combined 2250 yards which is only 140.6 ypg. Perspective.

Yards don't always tell the whole story. Harris and Bleier had 509 rushing attempts in '76, whereas Dwill and Jstew only had 437 this past year.

[Sandy Claws]

Yards don't always tell the whole story. Harris and Bleier had 509 rushing attempts in '76, whereas Dwill and Jstew only had 437 this past year.

Hence the "Perspective". We can twist stats back and forth and claim they mean whatever we want.

[panthers55]

Yards don't always tell the whole story. Harris and Bleier had 509 rushing attempts in '76, whereas Dwill and Jstew only had 437 this past year.

Hence the "Perspective". We can twist stats back and forth and claim they mean whatever we want.

It isn't twisting them but interpreting them. Or using meaningful stats. Instead of total yards look at yards per carry and that helps level the playing field.

Williams and Stewart this year averaged over 5 yards a carry this year.

Harris averaged 3.9 and Bleier averaged 4.7.

[Sandy Claws]

It isn't twisting them but interpreting them. Or using meaningful stats. Instead of total yards look at yards per carry and that helps level the playing field.

Williams and Stewart this year averaged over 5 yards a carry this year.

Harris averaged 3.9 and Bleier averaged 4.7.

But the 2 duos didn't face the same defenses making the ypc comparison invalid. The fact that Harris Bleier ranked overall higher against their peers is a telling stat.

And no this is "twisting".

[FrostyOne]

Keeping the double threat in the backfield will be important if the Panthers want to continue running the ball like they do. The only thing worrying about is if D-lo and Stew want to keep sharing the limelight. I think next year they should alternate starts.

[panthers55]

But the 2 duos didn't face the same defenses making the ypc comparison invalid. The fact that Harris Bleier ranked overall higher against their peers is a telling stat.

And no this is "twisting".

The fact that Bleier was higher can also point out a lack of quality backs back then or that the steelers offensive line was dominant compared to other defensive lines

Comparing stats from different eras and years is always inexact and relative. But YPC is the best way to level the playing field just like you did in remarking about him versus his peers.

And this is twisting both contemporary and original.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyfMw3oDMHI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGAUTADn47U

[csx]

Not sure if this has been mentioned already but last year they had a few more yards and a lot more TDs than this year but everyone is going nuts about the distribution of the yards between them this season.

[Sandy Claws]

The fact that Bleier was higher can also point out a lack of quality backs back then or that the steelers offensive line was dominant compared to other defensive lines

Comparing stats from different eras and years is always inexact and relative. But YPC is the best way to level the playing field just like you did in remarking about him versus his peers.

And this is twisting both contemporary and original.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyfMw3oDMHI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGAUTADn47U

Agree with "comparing stats from different eras and years is always inexact and relative". Disagree with "YPC is the best way to level the playing field" for the same reason you mentioned (bolded above).

Bottom line is calling them the best RB duo in history is big time homerism and open to debate. Hell there are some that would argue that they aren't even the best this year.