Question about 3-4 vs 4-3

[bLACKpANTHER]

why would switching to a 3-4 hurt Beason? to me- putting Beason and Davis in as the ILBs would be great, right?

i prolly just dont understand- do we not have the personnel up front for the line? i thought Kemo would be an excellent NT- Chalres Johnson and Brayton as DEs - Pep finally gets to play OLB

im not saying we need to switch to 3-4, just always wondered why people get pissed at the notion....

[csx]

why would switching to a 3-4 hurt Beason? to me- putting Beason and Davis in as the ILBs would be great, right?

i prolly just dont understand- do we not have the personnel up front for the line? i thought Kemo would be an excellent NT- Chalres Johnson and Brayton as DEs - Pep finally gets to play OLB

im not saying we need to switch to 3-4, just always wondered why people get pissed at the notion....

All linebackers in a 3-4 defense are generally bigger (weight & height) than a 4-3. Due to the OGs not being covered up by DT's, the ILBs have to take on quards nearly every play. Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but generally speaking he is suited for the 4-3 with his speed. Our two best linebackers would likely be much less effective in 3-4, or at least you risk minimizing their strengths.

[Guild]

It isn't a known fact that it would. See Patrick Willis.

[Dpantherman]

really good NT are hard to come by. guys like Ratliff, Jenkins (when hes playing rather than sitting), Hanyesworth (see Jenkins), Casey Hampton, Aubrayo Franklin, etc..

only 1 sure NT coming out that I know of is Terrance Cody. hes huge. If Suh gains some weight hed be a good NT. but right now i think hed make a good DT/ DE in a 3-4 (kind of like a Darnell Dockett). hes 295 right now.

[Wither]

The players aren't big enough and they have already been groomed for 4-3.

Why is everyone obsessed with 3-4 anyway? (I don't mean anyone here, just the league in general.) It's quite simple: if you put more people out to protect the pass, the run will be more open. If you put more people up to protect the run, the pass will be more open. There is no middle ground.

[Guild]

The players aren't big enough and they have already been groomed for 4-3.

Why is everyone obsessed with 3-4 anyway? (I don't mean anyone here, just the league in general.) It's quite simple: if you put more people out to protect the pass, the run will be more open. If you put more people up to protect the run, the pass will be more open. There is no middle ground.

The 3-4 disguises the extra rusher easier than a 4-3 which is almost always the same four rushers. That is why it is so popular league-wide imo.

[Swarly]

3-4 is good but making the transition isn't always easy. Packers lucked out and got an absolute stud in Clay Mathews, who seems to reach the quarterback nearly every single play.

My only problem with our 4-3 right now is it's supposed to be better against the run, but we're still ranked in the mid 20's in run stopping, and #4 in pass defense.. We don't have the players to successfully convert to 3-4 YET. If we can somehow get our hands on a big time player like Casey Hampton/etc, then sure. but as of now, our DT's aren't anywhere near the level required to be successful.

[holycrikey]

I agree with both Kral and Dockery.

Yes, the 3-4 disguises the rusher and works well for blitzs. But just as Dockery said, there is a balancing act in any defensive scheme. If you have players that KNOW the defense and are brought up in it, then you have yourself a powerful defense. Both the 3-4 and 4-3 are great, given your players are suited for it. I see no real advantage of one over the other. It all comes down to proper players.

[Wither]

The 3-4 disguises the extra rusher easier than a 4-3 which is almost always the same four rushers. That is why it is so popular league-wide imo.

While true, it also means the rush might be less effective with a good line as you have linebackers playing linemen. Of course, coming around the edges is easier if you have fast linebackers as they can get around the linemen, but still may take longer, sort of nullifying any disguise advantage. Obviously you would need a good O-line when playing either defense.

[rayzor]

The 3-4 disguises the extra rusher easier than a 4-3 which is almost always the same four rushers. That is why it is so popular league-wide imo.

the base defense may be a 4-3 here but the last half of the season they sure were messing around with a lot of different formations. that 3-2 became pretty effective on passing downs.

they were doing a lot of blitzing this year as well and the blitzes were coming from everywhere. they were doing it a lot more than meeks ever did in indy. i don't think the Mike ever blitzed in indy until this year.

[Guild]

Not that I am advocating that the Panthers use the 3-4 in any way. I'm not... in fact I like the 4-3 myself. But I'd like to point out that there really isn't much of a size difference between Ray Lewis and Beason. Also I believe that as of now Beason may be the faster player between the two as well.

Of course Beason is no Ray Lewis YET.

[Frizzy350]

The 3-4 disguises the extra rusher easier than a 4-3 which is almost always the same four rushers. That is why it is so popular league-wide imo.

ok but think of how our defense has played since fox has been here. how often do we rush more then our front 4? if we switch to the 3-4, we are just going to rush 3 dlinemen instead of 4, making things even worse. there is no guarantee our team would move pep to OLB, especially since hes the only DE we have that is large enough to play DE in a 3-4. brayton, johnson, and brown are all way too small. most of all, besides personnel, you need a creative defensive mind running the plays that's willing to take risks.

my question is why would the panthers want to switch to the 3-4? MOST teams tend to switch over to a 3-4 as a gimmick to shut the fans up. its an easy way for a team to say, our defense sucks, so we are going to do SOMETHING to address it, whether or not its necessarily a good thing, get off our backs. no one has yet to prove that the 3-4 is BETTER than a 4-3.

[csx]

ok but think of how our defense has played since fox has been here. how often do we rush more then our front 4? if we switch to the 3-4, we are just going to rush 3 dlinemen instead of 4, making things even worse.

:facepalm:

The team would never switch to a 3-4 under Fox so what has done since he has been here is irrelevant to what would be done after a switch.

Teams switch to a 3-4 whent they acquire a staff or at least a coordinator who traditionally runs a 3-4.

[Guild]

Frizzy350,

Dude wtf are you talking about.