i really fucking wish this would be the way the Panthers organization was run

[RedMage138]

Red Mage explain how the injuries are always the worst to us and not other teams and how no good team struggles with them quite like we do or stop bullshitting in my thread.

show me a team that lost both their starting offensive tackles, their breakout defensive player, both fullbacks, a starting defensive tackle and almost every backup they brought in and made the playoffs and I'll shut up.

[panthers55]

Ok hot shot what about the other 13 games in 2006, most of which we were competing in yet we just couldn't finish off when we had Delhomme playing, or what about in 2007 when the team didn't even look very impressive against teams that finished a combined 15-33 in the first 3 weeks?

How about you Red Mage can you field this question and reveal all your limitless wisdom by explaining how injuries were the foremost reason for all of our struggles in 2006 and not lack of coaching adjustments?

If you remember correctly we did go back and forth in 2006 but frankly were 6-4 heading into week 11 but lost 2 away games, one by 4 to Washington in the last minute and to Philly by 3. It was our fourth quarter collapses by the defense which killed us in 2006.

In 2007 it was injuries not only to our starting quarterback but injuries to Carr and Vinny so that we had a different guy in there every week until Moore went in the last 3 games.

[Gman was right]

How many teams over the past 8 years can say that? No one is accepting mediocrity only saying that the worst we do under Fox is to be average or finish in the middle. At best we are in the Superbowl. There is a big difference between liking average and never finishing below average.

How many elite teams accept three winning seasons in eight years? If fox coached for the steelers or giants he would have been canned a long time ago. The panthers simply set the bar too low and want gulible fans like you to do the same

[frash.exe]

show me a team that lost both their starting offensive tackles, their breakout defensive player, both fullbacks, a starting defensive tackle and almost every backup they brought in and made the playoffs and I'll shut up.

we were missing all those guys when we went 0-3 to start the season?

[Sandy Claws]

Sound like somebody wants to be a Giants fan. Here ya go!!

[frash.exe]

Oh btw Green Bay's going into the playoffs with 10 guys on IR, including Al Harris, Aaron Kampman, and starting center Jason Spitz, and starting NT Ryan Pickett, starting OT Chad Clifton, linebacker Brandon Chillar, starting RE Johnny Jolly, starting ILB Nick Barnett and starting CB Charles Woodson are all on the injury report this week.

[panthers55]

How many elite teams accept three winning seasons in eight years? If fox coached for the steelers or giants he would have been canned a long time ago. The panthers simply set the bar too low and want gulible fans like you to do the same

Since 2002 the Giants have had one more winning season than us. 4 to our 3. They also had a 4-12 season, a 6-10 season. We have won more games over that same time period than they have.

Like usual, you got nothing.

[Jangler]

I agree. I wish somebody in our organization would stand up and say they won't stand for this crap. I wanna hear from somebody so we, as the fanbase, can get some type of idea of what the hell the Carolina Panthers Org. is thinking.

Agreed. How many teams would have already conceived to the fans that the Starting QB that threw 8TDs and 18 InTs in 11 games would not be starting next year or even on the team. And that the QB that threw 8TDs and 2 INTs in 5 games will be the QB of the future?

I want just a little passion from this FO, Tell me something! But instead they come across as arrogant and don't really care about you and want you think. Just give me your money and shut the hell up. Now I'm not saying they need to bend over backwards like the Cleveland Browns do, But throw a bone fugers.

[panthers55]

we were missing all those guys when we went 0-3 to start the season?

I predicted we would be 1-2 or 0-3 to start this year. I expected the offense and Delhomee to obviously do better but the defense was the problem just like it was in the preseason. Obviously Moore coming in and not turning over the ball was a big factor but the turnaround in our season was a large function of the defense and special teams improving over the last 5 or 6 games.

[God]

Yes injuries are why we started 0-3, good thinking.

[Gman was right]

Since 2002 the Giants have had one more winning season than us. 4 to our 3. They also had a 4-12 season, a 6-10 season. We have won more games over that same time period than they have.

Like usual, you got nothing.

Um not with the same hc. Fassell had three winning seasons in seven years and was fired. Coughlin has been to the playoffs four out of six years and is now on the hot seat

[frash.exe]

Sound like somebody wants to be a Giants fan. Here ya go!!

if i wanted to be a giants fan i wouldn't need a message board to discuss the team

[panthers55]

Um not with the same hc. Fassell had three winning seasons in seven years and was fired. Coughlin has been to the playoffs four out of six years and is now on the hot seat

Doesn't matter, we were talking about teams and coaching over the same period that Fox coached.

If we started off 5-0 and finished 3-8, Fox would be gone. We finished going in opposite directions to the Giants.

[frash.exe]

I predicted we would be 1-2 or 0-3 to start this year. I expected the offense and Delhomee to obviously do better but the defense was the problem just like it was in the preseason. Obviously Moore coming in and not turning over the ball was a big factor but the turnaround in our season was a large function of the defense and special teams improving over the last 5 or 6 games.

The Giants also had a new DC i didn't see them getting dominated all over the field in the early run.