Boy could we use Brandon Marshall...

[CharlotteBeer.com]

It seems like we were just discussing this six months ago.

If I'm not mistaken, it was around the time we were also entertaining the Cutler-for-Peppers trade scenarios.

[beastson]

Boldin got problems too

[C47]

Boldin got problems too

I would rather have Boldin then Marsh any day, but thats also a pipe dream without giving up Peppers and I would rather he stay..

[GreatPoupon]

First of all I never said MN doesn't pass much' date=' I actually implied they passed more then Carolina by stating that Carolina is primarily a running team so DJ hardly gets on the field. There is a big difference in Favre last year and Favre this year, for starters this year Favre has played just 5 games outside of a dome, playing without the elements can greatly enhance stats. Also Favre has had the comfort of having a top tier defense that has forced turnovers and gotten the Vikes O the ball back in position to put up touchdowns. Favre is also healthier this year and just playing way better this year then EVER in his career. I don't think many here will dispute that if Rice and Jarrett switched places the receiver with a brighter future would appear to be Jarrett. Rice is nothing special and for that matter neither is Cotchery. Now I know your going to spin this as me saying DJ is special but I'm not saying that either, DJ is an unknown, he was unstoppable in college and IMO if given the chance to be can be very dangerous in the NFL. However to say Rice is much better then Jarrett when only one player has gotten the oppurtunity to start the majority of their games and play a full season with an ELITE QB is just insane. Oh and one more thing, please show me where I tried to ask the board for help.[/quote']

Rice is ellite now: anyone with 1000+ yards and 8 td's is not only far better than jarrett he's a top teir WR. when are people going to stop hanging on to DJ's college career as evidence he'll be anything in the NFL. he may be something one day but up til now he's nothing, and sidney rice is not even in the same conversation. nothing special?? watch a couple highlights of what he's done in the NFL, not college. rice was better with favre without favre probably in college too. just look at how the other steve smith has dominated and understand how loaded DJ's team was in college. stop talking about DJ's college career. lets talk about what he's done in this league and compare that to Sidney Rice. there is no comparison.

[C47]

Rice is ellite now: anyone with 1000+ yards and 8 td's is not only far better than jarrett he's a top teir WR. when are people going to stop hanging on to DJ's college career as evidence he'll be anything in the NFL. he may be something one day but up til now he's nothing, and sidney rice is not even in the same conversation. nothing special?? watch a couple highlights of what he's done in the NFL, not college. rice was better with favre without favre probably in college too. just look at how the other steve smith has dominated and understand how loaded DJ's team was in college. stop talking about DJ's college career. lets talk about what he's done in this league and compare that to Sidney Rice. there is no comparison.

Once again your ignoring the fact that Sidney Rice has been given all the opportunities in the world while Jarrett has been the 3 or 4 and hardly used his entire time here. You cant make a comparison between the two when one is a complete unknown in the league. You certainly can't make a comparison between the two when one has without a doubt one of the top 10 QB's in the history of the NFL throwing him the ball. And to say Rice was better then DJ in college is just laughable, the only WR who was comparable to DJ as far as college production was Calvin Johnson, and DJ did all of his damage having to compete against the other Steve Smith, Reggie Bush, Lendale White, Fred Davis, Dominique Byrd etc for the ball..... who exactly did South Carolina have other then Rice. And as for piling up yards against a pathetic schedule this year, sorry that doesn't make Sidney Rice an elite receiver. Sidney Rice may very well end up being a better receiver then DJ but at this moment you really cant compare the two, wait till next year if DJ gets a good amount of reps then it will be more of an accurate comparison. Sidney Rice doesn't do anything special and I don't think many Panthers fans are bitching and moaning like you that we didn't get him. Frankly I'm much more upset that we missed out on guys like Greg Jennings, Brandon Marshall (despite his attitude problems he is a freak), Marques Colston, Mike Sims Walker and Desean Jackson.....

[KillerKat]

f**k Marshall!

[Udogg]

Him and Smitty on the same team? That's like fighting a dragon covered with gasoline.

[Lumps]

Him and Smitty on the same team? That's like fighting a dragon covered with gasoline.

Hopefully Smith and Marshall know they are more likley to produce more with another capable WR. The only way to prove your capable is to make plays. So why would one want the other to not get the ball and make plays? They both would want the ball but hopefully they would be smart enough to know their windows of opportunity relied on one another. If anything Smith should know this...after all these years.

[err456]

Marshall would come with not only a high price but high risks. Not a typical Panther choice.

[GreatPoupon]

Once again your ignoring the fact that Sidney Rice has been given all the opportunities in the world while Jarrett has been the 3 or 4 and hardly used his entire time here. why do you think that is? maybe because he hasnt been good enough as a pro?You cant make a comparison between the two when one is a complete unknown in the league. three years in the league and you should not be an "unknown"You certainly can't make a comparison between the two when one has without a doubt one of the top 10 QB's in the history of the NFL throwing him the ball. and what about the two seasons prior?And to say Rice was better then DJ in college is just laughable' date=' the only WR who was comparable to DJ as far as college production was Calvin Johnson [b'] who played on an option team - GT without steve smith, reggie bush, and mat lienhart, and DJ did all of his damage having to compete against the other Steve Smith, Reggie Bush, Lendale White, Fred Davis, Dominique Byrd etc for the ball..... yeah b/c those players didnt help open the feildwho exactly did South Carolina have other then Rice. exactly he did alot himself, but maybe he wasnt better in college i dont care. but he has translated into a better pro And as for piling up yards against a pathetic schedule this year, sorry that doesn't make Sidney Rice an elite receiver. yards and touchdowns my friend.Sidney Rice may very well end up being a better receiver then DJ but at this moment you really cant compare the two, sure you can, and he is better, what you meant to say is DJ may well end up better.wait till next year if DJ gets a good amount of reps then it will be more of an accurate comparison. so youre saying you'd take a player that took three years to develop over one that was solid from the start?Sidney Rice doesn't do anything special and I don't think many Panthers fans are bitching and moaning like you that we didn't get him. i'm just sayin, i would have loved if he fell to us, not bitching just unhappy with DJ b/c he's been "unknown" Frankly I'm much more upset that we missed out on guys like Greg Jennings, Brandon Marshall (despite his attitude problems he is a freak), Marques Colston, Mike Sims Walker and Desean Jacksontop 8 we didnt have a pick till the second round. i'd agree with most of the rest though. and i think sidney might be better than those guys. i mean some of them have ellite QB's better than bret this year and still didnt match Rice's production......

bold.

[C47]

Once again your ignoring the fact that Sidney Rice has been given all the opportunities in the world while Jarrett has been the 3 or 4 and hardly used his entire time here. why do you think that is? maybe because he hasnt been good enough as a pro?You cant make a comparison between the two when one is a complete unknown in the league. three years in the league and you should not be an "unknown"You certainly can't make a comparison between the two when one has without a doubt one of the top 10 QB's in the history of the NFL throwing him the ball. and what about the two seasons prior?And to say Rice was better then DJ in college is just laughable, the only WR who was comparable to DJ as far as college production was Calvin Johnson who played on an option team - GT without steve smith, reggie bush, and mat lienhart, and DJ did all of his damage having to compete against the other Steve Smith, Reggie Bush, Lendale White, Fred Davis, Dominique Byrd etc for the ball..... yeah b/c those players didnt help open the feildwho exactly did South Carolina have other then Rice. exactly he did alot himself, but maybe he wasnt better in college i dont care. but he has translated into a better pro And as for piling up yards against a pathetic schedule this year, sorry that doesn't make Sidney Rice an elite receiver. yards and touchdowns my friend.Sidney Rice may very well end up being a better receiver then DJ but at this moment you really cant compare the two, sure you can, and he is better, what you meant to say is DJ may well end up better.wait till next year if DJ gets a good amount of reps then it will be more of an accurate comparison. so youre saying you'd take a player that took three years to develop over one that was solid from the start?Sidney Rice doesn't do anything special and I don't think many Panthers fans are bitching and moaning like you that we didn't get him. i'm just sayin, i would have loved if he fell to us, not bitching just unhappy with DJ b/c he's been "unknown" Frankly I'm much more upset that we missed out on guys like Greg Jennings, Brandon Marshall (despite his attitude problems he is a freak), Marques Colston, Mike Sims Walker and Desean Jacksontop 8 we didnt have a pick till the second round. i'd agree with most of the rest though. and i think sidney might be better than those guys. i mean some of them have ellite QB's better than bret this year and still didnt match Rice's production.......

I think anyone can look at Carolina's stats the last few years and just by seeing the fact that we run the ball at an alarming rate (its effective so I could care less) and that Moose has been "given" a starting job despite the obvious fact that he has really declined as a player to see why Dwayne hasn't really been given a fair shot. Sure DJ has been given a spot start here and there but not on a consistent basis even the hall of fame receivers get shut down once and awhile. Learn your football GT wasn't an option team when Calvin Johnson was there, they went to option after Paul Johnson went there. Sorry yards and touchdowns aren't that impressive when its against weak competition. I would hardly call Rice's stats solid from the start why do you think he has his best year with a hall of fame QB. Sorry not sure what your talking about with the draft picks comments all of those guys were second rounders or later, with Marsh and Walker being in the third and Colston being a seventh rounder.

[GreatPoupon]

1) moose plays because he's better than DJ.

2) yeap you are correct about jackson.

3) GT - thats true not techniqically the paul johnson jackets, but reggie ball was the second leading rusher on the team. not excactly a passing offense.

4) until DJ can do anything on field - learn the playbook, show some work ethic, run some routes, get in shape (this is why he's not given more of a shot, not b/c we are a running team or Moose was given the job he didnt deserve) - he's nothing to sidney rice, no matter who is throwing th ball or what competition he had. 1312 yards and 8 tds in the NFL is ellite! come on man how can you even deny that??

[jramsey4]

1) moose plays because he's better than DJ.

2) yeap you are correct about jackson.

3) GT - thats true not techniqically the paul johnson jackets, but reggie ball was the second leading rusher on the team. not excactly a passing offense.

4) until DJ can do anything on field - learn the playbook, show some work ethic, run some routes, get in shape (this is why he's not given more of a shot, not b/c we are a running team or Moose was given the job he didnt deserve) - he's nothing to sidney rice, no matter who is throwing th ball or what competition he had. 1312 yards and 8 tds in the NFL is ellite! come on man how can you even deny that??

Yeah just like Moore wasn't playing because Jake was better. Fox is a stubborn jackass. Thats all that can be said. I have said it all year I think DJ will become a solid #2 in this league. Just watch.

[CharlotteBeer.com]

I think anyone can look at Carolina's stats the last few years and just by seeing the fact that we run the ball at an alarming rate (its effective so I could care less) and that Moose has been "given" a starting job despite the obvious fact that he has really declined as a player to see why Dwayne hasn't really been given a fair shot.

When did Moose decline as a player?

Was it last year, when he had nearly 1,000 yards in a run-first offense? Or was it this year, when even the great Steve Smith didn't eclipse 1,000 yards?

I don't think Moose has declined as a player (or at least no more than is expected with age), nor do I think he's been "given" his roster spot. If you're going to use the argument that Jarrett improved with a change of quarterback, then you've got to concede that Moose did and probably will going into next year.