Trade Gross, Let Schwartz Start Next Year

[CarolinaPanthers8789]

First off, I already addressed the pick thing. I didn't say I wouldn't ask for a 1st. I said I DONT KNOW if you can get a first. You know teams get players based of NEED. I said Im absolutely certain we can get a high 2nd

Were already going to have a high second and this years WR class is good enough to get one right where we are.

[beastson]

draft

With our first pick in the 2nd round? Draft whatever receiver is left that shows promise

BTW, what is our official pick number

[beastson]

Were already going to have a high second and this years WR class is good enough to get one right where we are.

Good enough....

You want good enough, or possibly the best?

[koolkatluke]

Beaston your opinoin is too put Otah (who has been more injuried and not great in pass protection) on the LT spot? The QB blind side?? Then start Schwarts right.

[megadeth078]

With our first pick in the 2nd round? Draft whatever receiver is left that shows promise

something wrong with that? I didn't realize that every one after the first round is worthless. There is enough WR depth in the draft, and there's no way we leave this draft without getting at least one. I'm sure that's been said before, but only DL players out-prioritize wide receivers this offseason.

[beastson]

Like I said, do you just want one. Or possibly the best one. The top one. You rather just get one, one who probably wont see any time on the field as WR. vs. a top pick one with higher probability of seeing the field. And higher probability of being the best one in the future

No Kool I think that was uh... maybe Bright idea

Schwartz on the left was my idea

[Zod]

This is a very bad thread

[GreatPoupon]

if your opinion is that WR is more important than LT then i can understand why you would have this opinion.

yeah seriously. no way do you trade the top olineman off your team for a draft pick. you want to keep your best guys on the squad and draft well with what you have. if i'm dumping anyone for draft picks its julius peppers.

[House]

Like I said, do you just want one. Or possibly the best one. The top one. You rather just get one, one who probably wont see any time on the field as WR. vs. a top pick one with higher probability of seeing the field. And higher probability of being the best one in the future

No Kool I think that was uh... maybe Bright idea

Schwartz on the left was my idea

You are killing your own arguement here. You don't want to go with a second round WR but you would be willing to trade a franchise LT, and put an "unknown" 7th round RT in his place? This is crazy.

If you are drunk you should go to the hospital because you are probably on the verge of poisining. If you are sober....well I don't know, there's not a lot of hope.

[chbright]

schwarts at LT is a bit overboard at this point. he was projected as a RG or RT, as he wasnt as nimble as you would want for a LT. he is a mauler for the most part. Otah at LT, maybe, wharton, easily but who plays LG.

[koolkatluke]

Like I said, do you just want one. Or possibly the best one. The top one. You rather just get one, one who probably wont see any time on the field as WR. vs. a top pick one with higher probability of seeing the field. And higher probability of being the best one in the future

No Kool I think that was uh... maybe Bright idea

Schwartz on the left was my idea

You were better off with the Otah thing but you lost all creditabilty with the Schwartz too LT thing. Are you crazy? Schwartz doesn't have the footwork nor the speed too be a left tackle. Why would you put him on our QB blind side. You suck as a Pro scout. 1st you talk about Gross not being consitant then you want too move a Career back-up RT too the LT spot think about this stuff before you post.

[beastson]

Does it matter really. Otah can play LT, you have nothing to say about that thought right

Main point is to get rid of an aging T to free up space for some receivers. Because if you cant throw in 2010, you wont win. Notice I did say I threw the thought out there. I guess you didn't catch that

And I dont see how thats crazy House. You acting like Schwartz has no upside at all, which he already proved he does. Obviously I think the receivers that will most likely go in the first round this year >>> possible second rounders. Smith isn't getting younger

[Urrymonster]

You are F'n stupid Gross is a ALL PRO meaning out of all the 60 somthing starting Tackle in the league. Coaches and GM (which you are neither) thought he was 1 of 2 of the best Tackles in the league. So you have lost all creditabilty.

I'm sorry Beaston you seem too be a pro scout. So what Inconsistent play did you see? If I may ask? Other him getting hurt leading the way for 2 1000 yard backs and playing with a bad QB. What did he do wrong in your view.

For the record I am NOT endorsing Beastson but...

Gross certainly was an all-pro. This year though he performed at a lower standard and got placed on IR after 9 games, his trade value is not what it would have been.

In 9 games Gross gave up approixmately 7 (0.77) sacks, 5 (0.55) hits and 11 (1.22) pressures, bracket numbers are per game values. Last season he only gave up approximately 4 (0.26) sacks, 9 (0.6) hits and 8 (0.53) pressures.

The top performing LT's this season are Joe Thomas (3 sacks, 5 hits, 7 pressures) Jake Long (4, 5, 8) and D'Brickashaw Ferguson (6, 3, 10) and each are part of dominant rushing offenses (Browns 10th, Miami 4th and Jets 1st). Whilst Jordan has had some great seasons, this certainly was not one of them. He was good, better than the vast majority, but no where near his standards. He was on course to record 12 sacks given up, 9 hits and 20 pressures, which is a shadow in comparison to what others have achieved.

Gross is what he is. A dominant run blocking OT. He is not a premier pass blocker, but he is not really needed to be. He is good, very good in fact at pass blocking but he is not elite. Considering the elite pass blockers also can run block just as effectively, I do not see him being valued at premier OT heights. Any team giving up a lot for a LT will likely want him to be darn good at pass blocking as well, otherwise the trade is not balanced.

Obviously a lot of this is my opinion and I am trying to use reasoning rather than stating people are wrong without any basis. My initial assessment could be wrong, considering I re-looked at the Peters trade. However GMs do not trade high draft picks for a contract which is high in value and the player will unlikely re-work. That makes them mortgage the future AND the present with the trade, that is the only point I was trying to make. If the new contract was not in place, then the draft picks would go up.

Just to re-establish. I do NOT endorse trading Gross. The idea is laughable and downright crazy, in fact trading him could actually cause an un-hinging of what the team has recently achieved. He really is that much of a leader and without him Wharton is our most experienced OL guarenteed coming back. This is also another reason he gets All-Pro recogontion.

[koolkatluke]

Does it matter really. Otah can play LT, you have nothing to say about that thought right

Main point is to get rid of an aging T to free up space for some receivers. Because if you cant throw in 2010, you wont win. Notice I did say I threw the thought out there. I guess you didn't catch that

And I dont see how thats crazy House. You acting like Schwartz has no upside at all, which he already proved he does. Obviously I think the receivers that will most likely go in the first round this year >>> possible second rounders. Smith isn't getting younger

Beaston seriously stop 1st I told you why not Otah he has problem in pass Protection and you are putting him against every teams best pass rusher if you put him LT. He is a mauler he needs too be on the RT spot too best show his talent. Not too mention the fact he has been injuried in both season he's play so he might not be as dependeable as Gross. 2nd Schwartz is at best a RT you put him at LT you better have 6-7 QB do you get the point.

What you are not getting is it takes 2 different skill sets to play LT or RT. You have too be nimble and quick too be a LT. You have too be mean and agressive too be a RT. Gross is our best Tackle plain and simple he can play both tackle spots and for most off his career has not been a injury concearn. You don't find that too often so when you do you do not trade it for a WR you can get a dime a dozen. Smith was a 3rd round pick.