Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Sobering thought

Khyber53

By Khyber53,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

LinvilleGorge Grand Master

LinvilleGorge

Posted
Posted
3 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Next Gen Stats on X: "The Vikings blitzed Justin Herbert on ...

Exactly. Six attempts 20+ yards versus zero. The threat is everything. Especially when the threat is highly effective going 4/6 on those attempts.

The one ball Bryce threw over 20 yards that isn't reflected in the passing chart was a DPI on a badly underthrown ball to a receiver that was grabbed and slowed down. If a receiver is grabbed and slowed it should result in what appears to be an overthrow, definitely not a ball that is still badly underthrown.

  • Pie 3
  • Flames 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Newtcase Experienced

Newtcase

Posted
Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Next Gen Stats on X: "The Vikings blitzed Justin Herbert on ...

LOL

What is the purpose here?  To show Herbert can throw deep and short?  The fact that you'd even drop Herbert's pass chart as if he and Bryce are almost on the level is a bit numbing.  

Edited by Newtcase
  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites
TheCasillas Grand Master

TheCasillas

Posted
Posted
1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Exactly. Six attempts 20+ yards versus zero. The threat is everything. Especially when the threat is highly effective going 4/6 on those attempts.

The one ball Bryce threw over 20 yards that isn't reflected in the passing chart was a DPI on a badly underthrown ball to a receiver that was grabbed and slowed down. If a receiver is grabbed and slowed it should result in what appears to be an overthrow, definitely not a ball that is still badly underthrown.

3/5 ...not sure where you are counting the 6...  but that isnt the point im attempting to share here. 

The point is that short passes are part of the game and it's exactly what the Chargers did the week before. We dont have the deep threats like the Chargers have.... If we had Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Josh Palmer .. we have vastly different results. It was also helps that Chargers have a strong interior offensive line. 

Even the vikings DE said that they pushing in the interior and disrupting the QB. Thats an effective game plan and an easy way to win football games. If the QB cant step up to throw... then he can't throw big.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
SmokinwithWilly Grand Master

SmokinwithWilly

Posted
Posted
4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Exactly. Six attempts 20+ yards versus zero. The threat is everything. Especially when the threat is highly effective going 4/6 on those attempts.

The one ball Bryce threw over 20 yards that isn't reflected in the passing chart was a DPI on a badly underthrown ball to a receiver that was grabbed and slowed down. If a receiver is grabbed and slowed it should result in what appears to be an overthrow, definitely not a ball that is still badly underthrown.

He also had a dislocated finger on his off hand but still. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
TheCasillas Grand Master

TheCasillas

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, Newtcase said:

LOL

What is the purpose here?  To show Herbert can throw deep and short?  The fact that you'd even drop Herbert's pass chart as if he and Bryce are almost on the level is a bit numbing.  

Reich said "we saw what the Chargers did last week" and I am just sharing we did the exact same thing.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
LinvilleGorge Grand Master

LinvilleGorge

Posted
Posted
Just now, TheCasillas said:

3/5 ...not sure where you are counting the 6...  but that isnt the point im attempting to share here. 

The point is that short passes are part of the game and it's exactly what the Chargers did the week before. We dont have the deep threats like the Chargers have.... If we had Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Josh Palmer .. we have vastly different results. It was also helps that Chargers have a strong interior offensive line. 

Even the vikings DE said that they pushing in the interior and disrupting the QB. Thats an effective game plan and an easy way to win football games. If the QB cant step up to throw... then he can't throw big.

Maybe it was 3/5 and the one I'm counting as the 6th on that chart was 19 yards and 35 inches. 

The point is that you have to THREATEN deep and we don't. If you don't make the D respect that you can burn them deep it's going to be really tough to move the football.

DJ Chark is literally a deep ball specialist.

The excuses really need to stop. This chart isn't showing what you think. It's quite the opposite. The threat of the deep ball opens up opportunities underneath. You don't have to chuck it 20+ a dozen times a game. But you do have to show the willingness to do it and show some effectiveness at doing it to make the D respect it.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
WhoKnows Veteran

WhoKnows

Posted
Posted
2 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

3/5 ...not sure where you are counting the 6...  but that isnt the point im attempting to share here. 

The point is that short passes are part of the game and it's exactly what the Chargers did the week before. We dont have the deep threats like the Chargers have.... If we had Keenan Allen, Mike Williams and Josh Palmer .. we have vastly different results. It was also helps that Chargers have a strong interior offensive line. 

Even the vikings DE said that they pushing in the interior and disrupting the QB. Thats an effective game plan and an easy way to win football games. If the QB cant step up to throw... then he can't throw big.

It’s 4 of 6. Two on the 20 line and one left and one right. Then 2 more incompletions on the right.

Herbert three 30% behind the LOS and 10-15% 20+. Bryce was 50% behind the LOS and 0% 20+. They aren’t comparable.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • hepcat
      Baldy’s breakdown —> Burns lol

      By hepcat · Posted

      True but probably would still have DJ Moore in that scenario too 
    • jayboogieman
      33rd Team has a mock out today

      By jayboogieman · Posted

      And the consensus for BY was #1 overall for everything except for a week or two. That hasn't turned out so well, now has it?
    • ImfromClayton
      Bryce Young is HIM.

      By ImfromClayton · Posted

      I think we should temper the expectations a bit. A few weeks ago everyone was ready to move on from and/or trade Bryce.    He's CLEARLY developing. I just think it takes a lot longer to develop a quarterback in this era of football. He clearly has a better grasp and understanding of his role and responsibilities within this offense.    College football is in terrible shape right now with NIL, transfer portal, covid, and all the like. All those offenses have to keep it as simple as possible, so that they can insert a QB they found into the scheme, and have as much success as possible in that year, because he may go somewhere else next year. It is really crushing professional quarterback development. Nobody in college really runs a very pro style offense anymore, because it takes so much more time and effort to do that right.  Few run a college offense in the NFL, because with the extreme athleticism and high football acumen, it just wouldn't work as well. I don't think it's any coincidence that Bryce looks so much better after watching and learning from a guy who did it at a very high level for a long time. I particularly like seeing Bryce making more adjustments at the line of scrimmage.  I think Bryce is on the right track and I'm very pleased. I also think Dave Canales has done a very good job with his development. I know that's what we hired him to do, but it seems to be the popular thing to poo poo Canales for some reason. Next step for Bryce is to do this against a team that is not terrible. 
×
×
  • Create New...