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[Sam Mills Fan]

hindsight is 20/20. And who knows what Shaunghnessy would have done here. Your first reason was a valid but this one doesn't hold any water.

Well...duh? That's how all draft move evaluations after the fact are. I'm sure Al Davis is saying "Hindsight is 20/20" when talking about picking JaMarcus Russell. Doesn't change the fact that it was a mistake to do so.

[Jrock3016]

The trade was stupid for another reason. If we had just held onto the pick, we could have drafted Matt Shaughnessy from Wisconsin, a defensive end with more tackles and sacks than Brown has this season.

So we gave up a first-round pick to go get a guy that's played worse than the guy we could have just picked for nothing.

Great job FO.

its impossible to measure someone in a different system than our own

[Jrock3016]

How so? Brown didn't cost us anything this year. This upcoming draft is when the bill comes due, so even if we had kept the pick, we wouldn't see ANY results until next season anyway...so basically, this was a free year for Brown. And from what EB has shown this year, all he needs is an off-season strength program to become a dominant pass rusher, and I think he is better against the run than many give him credit for.

As it was, many pundits thought Brown was a top 20 pick last year, so if he had stayed in college another year would almost certainly be one this year. So, value-wise, we look to come out ahead since we also got an extra fourth in the deal.

The only way the deal might have been bad is if we needed a QB of the future and one was available at the spot we traded (which doesn't look to happen). And if, as many expect, Peppers does leave (tag and trade, let him walk, however), then DE probably would have jumped to our #1 priority anyway, so we would basically have been using the pick on a player just like Brown, but without a years experience under his belt. Also, with the way Moore has played, I don't think we would use the first on a QB anyway, and there are quality guys in the second for whatever else we need.

Like how you put thought in this. And I agree

[Sam Mills Fan]

Shaughnessy is a reserve 4-3 end. Brown is a reserve 4-3 end.

Shaughnessy has 26 tackles and 4 sacks. Brown has 21 tackles and 2.5 sacks.

Shaughnessy went 71st overall in the 3rd round. The Raiders didn't give up anything to get him. Brown went 43rd overall in the 2nd round. The Panthers gave up a likely Top 15 pick to get him.

Sorry, but it was not a wise decision going off 2009 production.

[Jrock3016]

Shaughnessy is a reserve 4-3 end. Brown is a reserve 4-3 end.

Shaughnessy has 26 tackles and 4 sacks. Brown has 21 tackles and 2.5 sacks.

Shaughnessy went 71st overall in the 3rd round. The Raiders didn't give up anything to get him. Brown went 43rd overall in the 2nd round. The Panthers gave up a likely Top 15 pick to get him.

Sorry, but it was not a wise decision going off 2009 production.

How much did Shaughnessy play compared to EB. Do they play the Tampa 2? Is Meeks his Defensive Coordinator. And who has the better defense?

Im sorry but you can't compare someone unless they been through the exact same things.

[Kurb]

Don't try and battle wits with SMF

He is defenseless in such battles.

[Sam Mills Fan]

How much did Shaughnessy play compared to EB. Do they play the Tampa 2? Is Meeks his Defensive Coordinator. And who has the better defense?

Im sorry but you can't compare someone unless they been through the exact same things.

They play roughly the same amount. Oakland does not play the Tampa 2...but neither do we exclusively. Meeks is not his defensive coordinator. We have the better defense.

[Fiz]

why do people keep saying everette brown was a "first round talent?"

is it because people that can't get jobs with NFL teams at ESPN said he was, or because he wasn't drafted in the first round?

[Jrock3016]

Don't try and battle wits with SMF

He is defenseless in such battles.

noted

[megadeth078]

We want a first round pick; we don't need one.

[hepcat]

The Panthers might have also anticipated not having enough money to pay a first round draft pick last year or next. Dumping a first for a second rounder is a very easy way to save money.

[Jrock3016]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXJJ14HL5EE

I liked looking at this

[Kevin Greene]

why do people keep saying everette brown was a "first round talent?"

is it because people that can't get jobs with NFL teams at ESPN said he was, or because he wasn't drafted in the first round?

There are a lot of Kipers out there.