The offense with Bryce is getting worse every week

[Panthering]

11 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

https://theathletic.com/4919479/2023/10/01/panthers-loss-rebuild-brian-burns-trade/

Panthers players said Young’s problem wasn’t failing to recognize blitzes, although Wonnum believes the Vikings’ interior pressure affected Young’s field vision. “He really couldn’t step up and see what was going on,” Wonnum said. “Having those guys allowed us to work on the edge, and Harrison and all of us were able to make big plays.”

This is a problem and limitation

We basically need all pro guards and center for this operation to work with Bryce. That is what allowed Brees to be so good.

[therealmjl]

54 minutes ago, UNCrules2187 said:

I'm sorry, but I have a hard time believing the coaching staff is dialing up 10-12 WR screens at the LOS. A few? Sure. But I think Bryce keeps checking into these screens himself. Maybe try to run the play as called and stop checking into safe throws.

There were 13 completions at or behind the LOS yesterday. I think you're giving this coaching staff too much credit. They are horrible.

[Navy_football]

The offense isn't getting worse. Red zone offense is horrible but overall the offense is getting better at moving the ball. It'll take time with Bryce. 

In my opinion, Shenault is the only real playmaker on the offense that can make something out of nothing. Sanders and Chubba can't make plays when the blocking breaks down. TMJ, Thielen, Mingo can't take the ball away from defenders, or win at the point of attack. If they're not open, they won't make the catch. And Ian Thomas should never go out for another pass - hit in the face by a pass in the endzone. And looking for a flag? Bryce has to adjust his definition of open on deep passes. Sometimes you just give your guys a chance. Heck there's a big likelihood that you'll get a PI on those deep balls as DBs tend to panic when the ball is in the air more than a few seconds. 

These smoke screens to Thielen are killing me though. He ain't going anywhere after the catch. Deebo gets the lion's share of those plays in SF and teams haven't figured out how to stop it without opening up opportunities in other areas. If we're being honest, Shenault may be the best RB on the team. He has better vision and finishes runs better than Chubba and Sanders. And we know he's a homerun threat with the ball in his hands. He should be the guy getting 10-15 touches a game. Not Thielen and Sanders. 

[UNCrules2187]

10 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

We're 7th in the league in average yards per carry. I don't think we've been committed enough to the run on the play calling but it isn't due to complete lack of effectiveness. We're 26th in the league in run attempts. We're one of only two teams averaging 4.5+ YPC that is in the bottom half of the league in attempts.

Huh? We're averaging 4.0 YPC which is tied for 19th in the league. Remove QB scrambles and we're averaging 3.5 YPC which would rank 26th in the league. Where are you getting your numbers from?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/stat/rushing/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc

[SetfreexX]

9 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

You couldn’t have named a WR on Houston or Indy before the season started. Hell, Houston has been missing Tunsil for weeks. Houston is also down a few other starters on the OL. Indy was a complete mess last year and their star RB is sitting out. Spare us the other rookies have weapons excuse. 
 

For the love of god people Bryce isn’t Manning or Lawrence. Those guys have arms and physical attributes that Young will never have. Their mistakes came from taking shots and eventually they figured it out. 

Young didn’t even bother to add size this offseason. The one thing he had full control over he didn’t do. Instead he showed up at 180. He’s now been chased down twice and fumbled twice. That crap absolutely cannot happen. 

John Metchie, Tank Dell, Damien Pierce, if you didn't at least know those names for HOU you are very casual. 

IND is more limited but they picked up Downs, and Pittman Jr is established. It's not so much that they have ''weapons'' it's that IND has PHI's OC as a HC and they brought the same brand of football there to support Anthony. 

HOU has an offensive mind from the SF staff calling plays as a first year OC iirc. 

We are the ones wasting an offensive mind from one of the better offensive coaching staffs (Brown) formerly of McVay's staff. 

I think we are wasting that, we need to play with more tempo at the very least on the first drive, we have a turtle's pace offensively, we look like a team from the 90s.

Edited October 2, 2023 by SetfreexX

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Huh? We're averaging 4.0 YPC which is tied for 19th in the league. Remove QB scrambles and we're averaging 3.5 YPC which would rank 26th in the league. Where are you getting your numbers from?

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/stat/rushing/table/rushing/sort/yardsPerRushAttempt/dir/desc

That's my bad. The site I was looking at hadn't updated to include yesterday's game. Through last week the numbers I stated were accurate.

[UNCrules2187]

1 minute ago, LinvilleGorge said:

That's my bad. The site I was looking at hadn't updated to include yesterday's game. Through last week the numbers I stated were accurate.

Sure, but then that means they actually leaned into what you were saying they should do, and it produced a grand total of 83 yards on 31 attempts. I don't know if Miles is cooked or just hurt (which if he is, the team needs to sit him until he's healthy), but he has been trending down in YPC every game.

Week 1 - 4.0 YPC on 18 carries 

Week 2 - 3.1 YPC on 13 carries

Week 3 - 2.7 YPC on 9 carries

Week 4 - 1.5 YPC on 13 carries

We signed this guy to a $24m contract.

[DJ feed me moore]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I said before that game that my biggest concern is that the offense might look a lot better with Dalton taking the snaps because we already know what Dalton is. Biggest fear confirmed. Then confirmed again when Bryce looked the same against a bad D yesterday.

its so bad that all I have to hope for is drake maye returning to UNC for his senior year... think there is ANY chance of that happening? 

Edited October 2, 2023 by DJ feed me moore

[DJ feed me moore]

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[Waldo]

20 minutes ago, br2nc0 said:

The other rookies have weapons and a competent coaching staff around them. Bryce has the pressure of a #1 pick, with mid-tier receivers, and a incompetent offensive coaching staff. The other rookies have different things around them that affect their development. And Bryce has been making some nice reads most of the time, when the receivers are open to him. Not saying BY is amazing, he has his struggles, but we are just going through growing pains with a rookie QB.

And with Trevor, TLaw really sucked his rookie year. Idk why everybody acts he had something his rookie year, but his play has horrible, didn't even look like a #1 pick. He threw 12 Tds and 17 Ints, and had a 59.6 Cmp rate. Obviously it was due to Meyer, but he even sucked for the first half of the season last year. He only started getting his rhythm for the 2nd half of last year. Don't act like rookie struggles are a new thing.

Bryce brings very little to the table if you look at his play. It's that simple. Trevor looked talented his first year and Bryce does not. It's night and day, it's not struggling but just lacking enough positives or ability. Trevor struggled and Bryce is failing, there is a difference and you can't see or comprehend it. 

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, UNCrules2187 said:

Sure, but then that means they actually leaned into what you were saying they should do, and it produced a grand total of 83 yards on 31 attempts. I don't know if Miles is cooked or just hurt (which if he is, the team needs to sit him until he's healthy), but he has been trending down in YPC every game.

Week 1 - 4.0 YPC on 18 carries 

Week 2 - 3.1 YPC on 13 carries

Week 3 - 2.7 YPC on 9 carries

Week 4 - 1.5 YPC on 13 carries

We signed this guy to a $24m contract.

Miles sucks. He has no vision as a runner at all. Chuba is considerably better as a runner.

[45catfan]

1 hour ago, Frank9999 said:

Its Reich. He doesnt give Bryce any freedom

Kill, kill, kill.  Actually, too much freedom.  The rookie needs to run the play called and not audible to another play most of the time.  If it worked, then great, but it hasn't.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, 45catfan said:

Kill, kill, kill.  Actually, too much freedom.  The rookie needs to run the play called and not audible to another play most of the time.  If it worked, then great, but it hasn't.

Kill! Kill! Kill! *run up the middle into a wall of defenders*

Kill! Kill! Kill! *WR screen*

Kill! Kill! Kill! *look downfield, hesitate, appear to want to throw downfield, actually throw three yards checkdown*

Over and over until the end of the game.

[TheCasillas]

2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Kill, kill, kill.  Actually, too much freedom.  The rookie needs to run the play called and not audible to another play most of the time.  If it worked, then great, but it hasn't.

Its a two play system. BY isnt choosing the plays... He is given two plays in the huddle and then when at the LOS he looks for an indicator to kill. Example he killed a play when Harrison came down wide on the left end, and we ran a 8 yard run with Hubbard.

 

This is the exact thing the Jets were doing with Wilson last night.... this isnt new