Local writers tip toeing around Jake...

[Squirrel]

How so?

What happens, you ask, if the Panthers simply release Delhomme prior to March, never reaching the time frame to exercise the option, pay the non-exercise fee or supersede the contract? Good question. The short answer is that they’re not off the hook.

The contract provides for guaranteed salaries in 2010, 2011 and 2012. The guaranteed salary ensures payment to Delhomme even if he’s terminated (his contract, not him).

The guarantees are for skill (not being good enough), injury (having an injury carrying into the next year) or cap (having too high a cap number). The amounts of the guarantees are:

2010: $4.16M

2011: $5.12M

2102: $3.4M

Predictably, the total guaranteed future salary amount of approximately $12.7M is the exact same amount as the first option. Upon exercise of that option, the future guaranteed salaries become null and void, replaced by far lower salaries that are not guaranteed

What I read suggest if we supersede the agreement with a signing bonus of 10.4 which then negates the options and then pay him the 2.53 million guarateed in 2010 for a total of 12.94. You get him for 2010 for $220,000 over what you get if he is released. Even the rookie minimum is above that.

You numbers appear to be off.

You are forgetting his salary.

[Pantherxtreme]

since when does a great RB saying he needs to work on something mean he is horrific at something? Sorry but you don't go from "not being good enough" to the arguable the best RB overnight.......Williams was not as bad as you want him to of been.

Yea I know tell me about it Deshawn wasnt as good at pass blocking as he seems to want to remember him being either.

But on a side note, for the life of me I can't recall Deshawn sucking as much at his job as Delhomme has been sucking at his, but yet when Deangelo showed that the team was much better with him toting the rock Foster was gone, and now that Moore has shown the team is much better with him passing the rock the Jake apologist still can't seem to let go what gives?

[monstercat]

since when does a great RB saying he needs to work on something mean he is horrific at something? Sorry but you don't go from "not being good enough" to the arguable the best RB overnight.......Williams was not as bad as you want him to of been.

Who said that Williams was "horrific"? He just wasn't ready to start back then, that's all...he still played a lot even as a back up, just like Jonathan Stewart is playing a lot as a "back up".

Williams took it upon himself to work out harder and to learn his play book inside and out after the 07 season (which has been very well documented), and it showed in 08. So he didn't just get better overnight for no reason, and John Fox didn't just sit him on the bench in 07 to piss you off. This is not complicated stuff here.

[panthers55]

You are forgetting his salary.

I was looking for that. I read that only 2.5 of that is guaranteed in 2010. So I included that. Do you have a different number or article which says something else.

[Squirrel]

I was looking for that. I read that only 2.5 of that is guaranteed in 2010. So I included that. Do you have a different number or article which says something else.

Actually what Im seeing is 1.625 million. But it doesnt say if he gets a roster bonus. Everything right now works out to $13 million to cut him this offseason.

[panthers55]

Yea I know tell me about it Deshawn wasnt as good at pass blocking as he seems to want to remember him being either.

But on a side note, for the life of me I can't recall Deshawn sucking as much at his job as Delhomme has been sucking at his, but yet when Deangelo showed that the team was much better with him toting the rock Foster was gone, and now that Moore has shown the team is much better with him passing the rock the Jake apologist still can't seem to let go what gives?

Quarterback isn't the same position as running back. Deshaun never had good years either, Jake did. And we didn't owe Deshaun 13 million dollars either way. The situations are not close in comparison.

[Carl Spackler]

Going with a known loser instead of an unknown = insanity

Did you at any point ever like Jake? Or were you a Weinke slurper? I'm just curious because obviously he's no good now, but when he was, did you still diss him like this?

[Squirrel]

Here is where Zod got his 20%

The first option – exercisable between March 1 and May 15, 2010 – calls for $12.7M to extend the contract through 2013.

What happens, you ask, if the Panthers don’t exercise the option during that time frame? Well, there is a “non-exercise fee” payment of $10.14M to Delhomme, or 80 percent of the option amount.

[panthers55]

Actually what Im seeing is 1.625 million. But it doesnt say if he gets a roster bonus. Everything right now works out to $13 million to cut him this offseason.

So again, no real advantage to cutting him from what I see. It won't be cheaper to release him than keep him for 2010 from what I have seen. If we don't excercise the options but use the alternate signing bonus we don't have exposure under the guarateed salaries for 2011 and 2012 and it all counts in an uncapped year.

[Squirrel]

I give up. Everything leads back to $13 million. Just cut him so we dont have a distraction next season.

[panthers55]

Here is where Zod got his 20%

Yeah but that option isn't cutting him and we are still on the hook for his salary for 2010 which brings it back up to 13 million. If we cut him we are stil on the hook for 12.7.

Look at the article, that logic of saving 20% is incorrect.

[Squirrel]

Yeah but that option isn't cutting him and we are still on the hook for his salary for 2010 which brings it back up to 13 million. If we cut him we are stil on the hook for 12.7.

Yeah redid the numbers. Still cut him and get it over with. Bring back McCown and draft a rookie. Still dont fully trust Moore but at this point Jake is done.

[panthers55]

Yeah redid the numbers. Still cut him and get it over with. Bring back McCown and draft a rookie. Still dont fully trust Moore but at this point Jake is done.

Why would you do that when we don't have to make a decision to cut him until at least final roster cuts in August. That way he has a chance to see what he can do in camp and the preseason and we can decide whether he is done or not.

The only reason to release him is to ease the fear of fans who think he might be back at some point and start.

After what he has done over the past 7 years, he deserves better.

[LiQuiD]

Going with a known loser instead of an unknown = insanity

This.

As we all saw, all Foxy had to do was start Moore one game to see how obviously superior his play is as compared to Delhomme. After all, you're going in reverse with your de-facto starter, why not get a glimpse of the backup?