Local writers tip toeing around Jake...

[CRA]

It was the facts. If they are negative, it surely isn't something I contrived. I answered the question. If it was someone else besides me you wouldn't go at them as hard.

Take a break with the obsessions.

sure they are facts....but like I said if you take Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Brees and only play them next preseason with the 2nd units......it will show a drop off in performance from this season.

they are facts....meaningless facts that allow you to show your bias against Moore.

and there you go again......you get caught being silly....and then you accuse people of being obsessed with you. Nice.

[panthers55]

Cutting Delhomme is like when we cut Foster, Wahle, and Rucker except we owe Delhomme an ass of money. They clearly weren't cutting it and played a year longer than they should have. Delhomme is the same way...

Cutting Delhomme will appease much of the fanbase and force Fox to properly evaluate the QB position. Win-Win IMO.

Not even close. Owing the ass of money is the issue. Cutting Delhomme is an incredibly stupid move at this point and anyone with a modicum of insight would see it immediately. Those who don't are filled with doubt and fear. Fear Jake isn't done, and doubt that Matt will win the job on his own merit. Fox won't blindly pick Jake without pulling the plug almost immediately given the option Moore gives him. They won't make a business decision based on fan sentiment either, thank goodness. Most of the time fans don't have a clue except for what they are told.

[CRA]

How is getting rid of someone who are paying anyway months before a decision is even needed a smart logical decision.

Lets hear some more of you emotionally laden criticisms of Jake packaged as a logical debate.

Paying was a mistake but throwing him away at this point just compounds the error.

There is no postive to keeping him.....the money was wasted....keeping him doesn't make it less wasted. See with Jake you don't have to use flawed game circumstances to judge him on......he is no longer an NFL QB. Only emotion has people wanting him to stay......

[pantherpain]

Not even close. Owing the ass of money is the issue. Cutting Delhomme is an incredibly stupid move at this point and anyone with a modicum of insight would see it immediately. Those who don't are filled with doubt and fear. Fear Jake isn't done, and doubt that Matt will win the job on his own merit. Fox won't blindly pick Jake without pulling the plug almost immediately given the option Moore gives him. They won't make a business decision based on fan sentiment either, thank goodness. Most of the time fans don't have a clue except for what they are told.

Are you completely delusional? Did you not see the Fox and Jake relationship this year.

[Sloth]

Not even close. Owing the ass of money is the issue. Cutting Delhomme is an incredibly stupid move at this point and anyone with a modicum of insight would see it immediately. Those who don't are filled with doubt and fear. Fear Jake isn't done, and doubt that Matt will win the job on his own merit. Fox won't blindly pick Jake without pulling the plug almost immediately given the option Moore gives him. They won't make a business decision based on fan sentiment either, thank goodness. Most of the time fans don't have a clue except for what they are told.

Of course it's fear Jake isn't done. You keep spouting this line off like it means something when you take in the amount of money the franchise stupidly gave to him.

They will want to make that decision not look so stupid. When you add past history, "just one bad season" hopefulness and the fact that they're comfortable with Jake.. yes, it's fear that "open competition" will be a loaded situation and Jake will do just enough in camp to come out the starter, never mind that he killed the playoffs in 2008 and the season in 2009. I mean, I'm sure 2010 will be different!!1 Remember 2004!

Moore should have already won the job on his own merit, just by not making dumbass throws and losing games for us.

[AceMan]

Not even close. Owing the ass of money is the issue. Cutting Delhomme is an incredibly stupid move at this point and anyone with a modicum of insight would see it immediately. Those who don't are filled with doubt and fear. Fear Jake isn't done, and doubt that Matt will win the job on his own merit. Fox won't blindly pick Jake without pulling the plug almost immediately given the option Moore gives him. They won't make a business decision based on fan sentiment either, thank goodness. Most of the time fans don't have a clue except for what they are told.

Fear is a big reason. It is a big reason because people don't trust John Fox. No one trusts Fox for giving Jake the start again without competition after the Cardinal debacle and for sticking with Jake so long. I think people, including myself, fear that Fox will start Jake even though he isn't the better QB. Also, I/we fear that it will f*** up the team chemistry and anger some of our players while killing our 2010 season. Remember Fox said this...

(If Jake finger sidelines him, would taking a break be good for him?): I think with a broke finger, he’s going to get a little time away from it. If his finger wasn’t an issue, I couldn’t with a straight face make a change just to him.

You think a coach who says that would objectively view the QB position or put a shorter leash on Delhomme IF he is picked as starter? Delhomme being starter would kill team morale like no other. Fans would riot like crazy and it would put a HUGE amount of pressure on Jake to perform great...and we know how he performs with pressure on him...I think it would be best to avoid all of this mess and just let him go. I don't think anyone else would pick him up. I understand what you're trying to say, but I just don't trust Fox to make the right call so why not just take that option out of his hands.

[Squirrel]

You actually think Jake will get the starting gig next year? I can see it now first game at BOA and players introductions. "Your starting QB #17 Jake Delhomme!" BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

oooooooooooooooo!!!!

[CRA]

Not even close. Owing the ass of money is the issue. Cutting Delhomme is an incredibly stupid move at this point and anyone with a modicum of insight would see it immediately. Those who don't are filled with doubt and fear. Fear Jake isn't done, and doubt that Matt will win the job on his own merit. Fox won't blindly pick Jake without pulling the plug almost immediately given the option Moore gives him. They won't make a business decision based on fan sentiment either, thank goodness. Most of the time fans don't have a clue except for what they are told.

No, the issue is not accepting the reality of the situaion. The money was flushed down the drain. That happens in this league.

There is nothing to suggest Fox won't blindly pick Jake. Jake would be starting today if healthy.

[The Cat Pack]

Have you noticed? The local beat writers are doing their best to walk a tightrope and not say anything discouraging against Jake. Wonder why?

Example: http://www.heraldonline.com/news/sports/story/1834649.html

You know you are right Zod. I don't live in the Charlotte-area or anything but I have been reading online where guys like Sorensen, and Gantt have been defending Delhomme despite everything.

[X-Clown]

God, it's scary that I am reading through this thread and agreeing with Gman of all people. A true sign of the apocalypse.

[The Cat Pack]

And slowly Darin Gantt's heart is breaking! This guy must be ***** for Fox and Delhomme or something!

[panthers55]

Are you completely delusional? Did you not see the Fox and Jake relationship this year.

Times change so do people. The relationship will be different next year. Get with the times instead of harping on the past.

[Panthro]

Somone's head needs to be on the chopping block for the extension given to Delhomme.

[rayzor]

In the 2008 preseason, he finished 35 out of 65 for 53.8% completion rate for a paltry 6 yards per attempt with 0 TDs and 3 Ints for a rating of 52.7.

What is there to collaborate?

he was throwing to 2nd teamers at best the majority of the time. most of the guys he was throwing to aren't even in the league. with the exception of a little while in the 1st preseason game, he never threw to the starters. in fact he threw once to moose and hoover and twice to smith and that was the only time he got to throw to any starters. he targeted 14 different players. 6 players are still on the team (soon to be 5 after jarrett is gone). the rest of the time he was throwing to the like of toefield, travis taylor, d. thompson, chris hannon, upshaw, birmingham, flemming. how many of those names do you remember and how many have you seen on teams rosters lately?

7/14 107 yards in 1st game against indy (jake started, played 1 series)...

3-M.Moore pass short right to 87-M.Muhammad to CAR 32 for 13 yards .

3-M.Moore pass short right to 45-B.Hoover to CAR 44 for 12 yards.

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep middle to 89-S.Smith.

3-M.Moore pass to 89-S.Smith to 50 for 19 yards .

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short left to 80-D.Jarrett.

3-M.Moore pass deep left to 80-D.Jarrett to CAR 38 for 19 yards .

3-M.Moore pass short left to 11-J.Carter to IND 36 for 20 yards .

3-M.Moore pass short left to 80-D.Jarrett to IND 28 for 2 yards .

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short left to 11-J.Carter.

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short right to 80-D.Jarrett .

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short right to 33-L.Toefield.

3-M.Moore pass deep middle to 80-D.Jarrett to CAR 42 for 22 yards .

(No Huddle, Shotgun) 3-M.Moore pass incomplete short right to 19-T.Taylor.

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep middle to 19-T.Taylor.

missed 1 pass to smith, 2 to jarrett, 1 to jason carter, 1 to labrandon toefield, 2 to travis taylor

11/19 85 yards 1 INT against the eagles (jake started, played 1st half)...

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short left to 81-D.Thompson (who???!!?!?!)

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short middle to 15-C.Hannon.

3-M.Moore pass short left to 19-T.Taylor to CAR 18 for 2 yards (42-K.Arrington).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep left to 81-D.Thompson [21-J.Hanson].

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short left to 15-C.Hannon.

3-M.Moore pass short left to 81-D.Thompson to CAR 24 for 11 yards (35-N.Graham).

3-M.Moore pass short middle to 85-C.Upshaw to CAR 48 for 9 yards (63-B.Smith).

3-M.Moore pass short left to 81-D.Thompson to PHI 31 for 6 yards (42-K.Arrington).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep right to 15-C.Hannon. PENALTY on PHI-42-K.Arrington, Defensive Pass Interference, 30 yards, enforced at CAR 21 - No Play.

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep right to 15-C.Hannon.

3-M.Moore pass short left to 19-T.Taylor to CAR 30 for 5 yards (35-N.Graham, 39-Q.Demps).

3-M.Moore pass short middle to 85-C.Upshaw to CAR 39 for 9 yards (54-J.Roland).

3-M.Moore pass short right to 85-C.Upshaw to CAR 42 for 3 yards (52-P.Togafau).

3-M.Moore pass short right to 81-D.Thompson to CAR 48 for 6 yards (42-K.Arrington).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short left to 19-T.Taylor.

3-M.Moore pass short right to 26-D.Birmingham to PHI 41 for 11 yards (39-Q.Demps).

3-M.Moore FUMBLES (Aborted) at PHI 47, and recovers at PHI 45.

3-M.Moore pass short middle to 26-D.Birmingham to PHI 25 for 16 yards (63-B.Smith).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short right to 85-C.Upshaw.

3-M.Moore pass to 81-D.Thompson pushed ob at PHI 18 for 7 yards (31-T.Fontenot).

3-M.Moore pass short left intended for 26-D.Birmingham INTERCEPTED by 54-J.Roland (39-Q.Demps) at PHI 26. 54-J.Roland for 74 yards, TOUCHDOWN. .

ok...missed passes to who? d. thompson (whoever that is), travis taylor, c. upshaw (who?), chris hannon, decori birmingham. awesome group of receiving options. who of these guys are in the league at all?

2/5 33 yards against the redskins (jake played most of 3 quarters. moore came in with 5 minutes left in 3rd)

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short left to 11-J.Carter. Penalty on CAR-11-J.Carter, Illegal Touch Pass, declined. PENALTY on CAR-3-M.Moore, Illegal Forward Pass, 5 yards, enforced at CAR 28.

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep middle to 19-T.Taylor.

3-M.Moore pass deep middle to 81-D.Thompson to WAS 40 for 22 yards (48-C.Horton).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep left to 19-T.Taylor.

3-M.Moore pass short left to 19-T.Taylor to CAR 42 for 11 yards (29-L.Torrence).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short middle to 85-C.Upshaw.

missed passes to carter, taylor, and upshaw.

against steelers. panthers starters kept out of whole game. played against the steelers starting defense to start the game.

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short right to 80-D.Jarrett. Coverage by #20 McFadden

3-M.Moore pass deep right to 19-T.Taylor ran ob at PIT 22 for 20 yards.

3-M.Moore pass short middle to 80-D.Jarrett to PIT 15 for 5 yards (92-J.Harrison).

3-M.Moore pass short left to 80-D.Jarrett ran ob at CAR 37 for 8 yards.

3-M.Moore pass deep middle to 88-D.Rosario to PIT 42 for 21 yards (43-T.Polamalu; 25-R.Clark).

3-M.Moore pass deep right intended for 80-D.Jarrett INTERCEPTED by 20-B.McFadden at PIT 28. 20-B.McFadden ran ob at CAR 41 for 31 yards.

3-M.Moore pass deep left to 80-D.Jarrett to CAR 38 for 20 yards (94-L.Timmons).

3-M.Moore pass short left to 19-T.Taylor to CAR 45 for 5 yards (94-L.Timmons).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep right to 80-D.Jarrett (57-K.Fox).

3-M.Moore pass short right to 80-D.Jarrett to CAR 25 for 9 yards (20-B.McFadden, 57-K.Fox).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep right to 19-T.Taylor (27-An.Smith).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short right to 19-T.Taylor (30-R.Lewis).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short left to 19-T.Taylor (93-N.Eason).

3-M.Moore pass short middle to 82-G.Barnidge to PIT 35 for 9 yards (31-T.Williams).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep left to 19-T.Taylor. Coverage by #97 A. Harrison, #41 Mason

3-M.Moore pass short right to 80-D.Jarrett pushed ob at PIT 48 for 9 yards (31-T.Williams).

3-M.Moore pass short right to 26-D.Birmingham pushed ob at CAR 46 for 4 yards (30-R.Lewis). PENALTY on PIT-27-An.Smith, Illegal Use of Hands, 5 yards, enforced at CAR 42 - No Play.

3-M.Moore pass short left to 81-D.Thompson ran ob at PIT 44 for 9 yards.

3-M.Moore pass short left to 82-G.Barnidge to PIT 32 for 12 yards (57-K.Fox).

3-M.Moore pass short left to 82-G.Barnidge to PIT 20 for 12 yards (37-A.Madison, 27-An.Smith).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short middle to 81-D.Thompson. Coverage by #22 Gay

3-M.Moore pass short right to 80-D.Jarrett to PIT 15 for 5 yards (30-R.Lewis).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short right to 19-T.Taylor (41-G.Mason). The Replay Assistant challenged the pass completion ruling, and the play was Upheld.

3-M.Moore pass short right to 32-T.Fleming to CAR 33 for 6 yards (57-K.Fox).

3-M.Moore pass short left to 32-T.Fleming pushed ob at CAR 36 for 14 yards (57-K.Fox).

3-M.Moore pass short middle intended for 80-D.Jarrett INTERCEPTED by 57-K.Fox at CAR 50. 57-K.Fox to CAR 39 for 11 yards (33-L.Toefield).

3-M.Moore pass incomplete deep left to 80-D.Jarrett. Pressure by #95 McBean, Coverage by #41 Mason

3-M.Moore pass incomplete short middle to 82-G.Barnidge [27-An.Smith]. CAR-3-M.Moore was injured during the play. He is Out. Pressure by #27 An. Smith, Coverage by #57 Fox

missed passes to jarrett (5), taylor (5), thompson (1), and barnidge (1 on the play that moore got injured on)