Jake Delhomme would suck as a back-up!

[rico6]

Just as you saying Smitty bailed out Jake for years. But lets forget that when Smitty sat out the first 2 games in 2008, the Panthers were 2-0.

Never said Jake was inept at that point, 2 Multiple Interception Games in 2008 against terrible teams is bad.

As for Moore you don't think that Smitty bailed him out on the long throw at Tampa or on that long TD throw against Minnesota. Great receivers make quarterbacks look good.

Tampa: 250+ yards rushing Smitty was not the main factor in that game.

Minnesota: Matt did what Jake couldn't when the box was stacked and we couldn't run effectively Matt made them pay. :rolleyes5:

Yeah great receivers make QB's look good, but terrible QB's make teams look bad.

I'm assuming your going to go on forever defending Jake so responding to your jackassery will never make you concede.

Get over it.

[KillerKat]

It isn't as easy as you supposed experts think. Here is the contract explanation on jake's contract. Read it and then lets talk reality.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Delhomme-contract-has-Panthers-on-the-hook.html

Thus, the Panthers can release Delhomme prior to next season and subject themselves to almost $13M of future guaranteed salary. Or they can supersede the contract and pay the same almost $13M guaranteed through signing bonus and guaranteed salary in 2010.

13 mil to keep him or cut him. So really you are debating whether or not to waste a roster spot on him. Why would you want to do that? Because he's a leader? Oh, you mean the same leader that cost us games this season and couldn't remember what color jerseys to throw to?

[panthers55]

13 mil to keep him or cut him. So really you are debating whether or not to waste a roster spot on him. Why would you want to do that? Because he's a leader? Oh, you mean the same leader that cost us games this season and couldn't remember what color jerseys to throw to?

No because we are paying for him anyway and will still be on the hook in 2011 and 2012. It would make no business sense to throw money away in this or any economy. In football sense he had a bad year which is what happens to every starter who become a backup. He got replaced by someone who is playing better. Happens to most quarterbacks in their 30s. It doesn't mean they are done though. As a backup he can continue

to contribute and might have a few stretches of good games left in him. There really isn't a roster spot at stake until we get to the final roster cuts in August. No reason at all to force a decision before it is necessary. Only folks blindly hating him would be adamant in their demand to release him when it make no financial or football sense to make any moves before March-May when the first roster bonus would be due. At the least the Panthers will announce whether they will exercise their right to convert the contract.

Why are you so adamant we need to make a premature decision?

[Lumps]

Does it really matter if he is on the sidelines? Does he get paid less to just get cut? Doesn't sound like it so who cares as long as he isn't starting.

[KillerKat]

No because we are paying for him anyway and will still be on the hook in 2011 and 2012. It would make no business sense to throw money away in this or any economy. In football sense he had a bad year which is what happens to every starter who become a backup. He got replaced by someone who is playing better. Happens to most quarterbacks in their 30s. It doesn't mean they are done though. As a backup he can continue

to contribute and might have a few stretches of good games left in him. There really isn't a roster spot at stake until we get to the final roster cuts in August. No reason at all to force a decision before it is necessary. Only folks blindly hating him would be adamant in their demand to release him when it make no financial or football sense to make any moves before March-May when the first roster bonus would be due. At the least the Panthers will announce whether they will exercise their right to convert the contract.

Why are you so adamant we need to make a premature decision?

We're throwing money away any way by just keeping him on the roster because he is a dud. When a QB is 35 and only has 2 games with more TDs than INTs, with one of those games being 7 for 14 for 90 yards, yes they are done. He has nothing at all to contribute to the team.

The only way I would see where we would keep him and then cut him during final cuts is if we save money by doing that. Does the 13 mil by waiting till then to cut him decrease any? If not much money will be saved by doing that, its time to move on and get your QBs together and start the competition for the #1 spot.

[rico6]

Because Jake staying can be possibly detrimental to the teams chemistry and overall lack of resolve to accepting a new era in charlotte

[panthers55]

Does it really matter if he is on the sidelines? Does he get paid less to just get cut? Doesn't sound like it so who cares as long as he isn't starting.

Thats my point. You have to really dislike him or be afraid he may start again to want him gone. Almost an "anybody but Delhomme mentality".

It matters alot to some folks here.

[panthers55]

Because Jake staying can be possibly detrimental to the teams chemistry and overall lack of resolve to accepting a new era in charlotte

I suspect the players accept change better than the fans. They understand that things change and they have to accept different roles. After all, they had to replace someone to get where they are. They know that the process will repeat itself with them at some point. As long as the players accepts their role, the team would be fine. Nothing has ever shown me that Jake wasn't a team player and that he would disrupt chemistry. He surely hasn't done it this year and has been nothing but supportive of Moore.

[JJT]

Hell, I know the system.

I sure wouldn't be able to protect that ball, though.

[Mother Grabber]

Jake has sucked since the Vikings game of 2008. He has single handedly blown several games, both in 2008 and 2009. This is not a case of a bad year. It's a case of a bad player. I wouldn't want him out on the field for my team in any capacity, ever.

[PantherDude]

He only had 2 games where he had more TDs than INTs. The Arizona game and the home Atlanta game. That Tampa game you mentioned.. 1 TD and 2 INTs. lol You = FAIL.

But they still won, didn't they? I thought you care more about winning than INT. Even Moore said he doesn't care about the stats as long they winning.

And fail? Say the guy who think McCown is better than Jake will ever be (which is laughable, since McCown could never be successful like Jake when he was good) & won't root for his team anymore as long Fox & Jake are still like a fairweather fan do. Which mean you don't support Williams, Smitty, Peppers, Beason, etc. either & don't even try to put word in my mouth with saying I'm telling you to cheer for losing. Sorry, kid.

And you put words in p55's mouth few times lately here. Guess when you don't agree with someone, you're going to put words in their mouth like him.

[KillerKat]

But they still won, didn't they? I thought you care more about winning than INT. Even Moore said he doesn't care about the stats as long they winning.

And fail? Say the guy who think McCown is better than Jake will ever be (which is laughable, since McCown could never be successful like Jake when he was good) & won't root for his team anymore as long Fox & Jake are still like a fairweather fan do. Which mean you don't support Williams, Smitty, Peppers, Beason, etc. either & don't even try to put word in my mouth with saying I'm telling you to cheer for losing. Sorry, kid.

And you put words in p55's mouth few times lately here. Guess when you don't agree with someone, you're going to put words in their mouth like him.

You name 3 games. Only 1 of them was an actual good game for Jake. The other he was 7 for 14 for 90 yards, the other 1 TD and 2 INTs. Yes you look retarded.

Jake is done and McCown knows the playbook and is better than Jake because it's unknown how he'll be as a starter with us. McCown has always been on crappy teams, which is something you haven't acknowledged. He's never had this much talent around him. So its safe to say he can do better than 18 f**king interceptions.

You still wanna bring up me not rooting for the Panthers and getting my hopes up for next season if Jake is starting and Fox is still here. I've already owned you multiple times on the subject yet you keep bringing it up. It's childish to think a fan of a team cant root for another. No other team will come close to being my fav. But if Jake is starting and Fox is still sticking with his usual gameplan and play calling, all hope is gone for next season. But sure if you wanna call anyone else that roots for another team fairweather, go ahead and continue looking like the brainless moron that you are. Im sure Dimbee will agree with you.

[davos]

Wherein Moore in the past 2 games is average a rating of 131 and 3tds 0ints. This minus 2 (some would say Otah as well) all-pros, at LT (most important passing blocker as it protects the blindside) and RB (Dwill is IMHO the best RB in the league, homer I know).

Jake is washed up. I said it after the Cards loss and again after ever game this year. Yeah he can put together a good game ever now and then but just as likely he turns the ball over 3 or 4 times. I want a guy at backup that has potential is young and mobile.

If you can develop him you then can become the Pats and produce a 2nd round pick from a guy you got in the 7th. I really like what I have seen out of Troy Smith and think he would be an excellent #2 and maybe in a fair competition beat out Moore.

I like the way we went after a RG last year. Sign a bunch of guys with talent that maybe have not got a shot or struggled in a different system for cheap.

Boomshakalaka

rep sire.

[Udogg]

Moore has played well and deserves to start in my opinion but this is not what we are discussing so why bring it up? We are talking backup only and in that role jake would be fine and we already committed money we will lose already one way or the other.

This is not about bringing Jake back as the starter simply the best way to salvage the situation as it stands. For me you start Moore, keep Jake as the backup and bring in a FA or a draft choice to compete for the third position or the number 2 if Jake continues to struggle.

Usually I agree with you on pretty much everything. But I think do to Jake's history with the Panthers he would be a distraction as a backup. It would be better to just let him go and hopefully he can find another situation and maybe turn it around ala Kurt Warner. He cast too big a shadow if we truly want Moore to be the man imo. Plus he is like the apple in the garden of eden to John Fox. Better to just get that temptation away from him completely.