What makes fox a good coach

[carolinanimal]

how come every time someone mentions fox , someone says that we will be the browns or raiders w/o him? you guys do know that the best teams this decade didnt have the same coaches forever right? eventually he will have to leave. we cant keep him forever because "he is the best we ever had. " we are only 15 years old , and he has been here for half of that.

[ladypanther]

I'm talking about game time adjustment's , clock management , handling of player during the game . What does he do on sunday that makes him good.

There are times when his teams have no energy, seem unmotivated and unprepared to play.

He seems to make no game adjustments, is terrible at clock and game management.

The exception seems to be when he has nothing to lose....then he gets better.

[Fiz]

all the things you don't see on gameday, like organizational skills, ability to mitigate conflicts, managing egos, etc

[Fiz]

there's sort of this wide chasm between how you judge a baseball manager and a football coach.

with managers pretty much everything they do is behind the scenes: managing a game is as easy as looking down at your spreadsheets that an intern put together for you, especially in today's nfl. guys like bobby cox, gardenheimer, girardi, etc are touted for their abilities to manage their clubhouse, keep things together, deal with egos, etc.

with football, though those same things happen but they're never mentioned. instead it's all about what happens during a 3 hour stretch during the week. now, individual nfl games are far more important than individual baseball games, and one mistake is far more damaging in the nfl than mlb, but the weird double standard remains.

guys like fox, reid, and belichick are geniuses at monday through saturday, and fox's ability shouldn't be discounted just because he's managed only the 8th most successful franchise since taking over the reigns

[PantherDude]

Fox is only good when he quite being too loyal & vanilla. And when he let the coordinators (like Davidson & Meeks) do their job. Their is a reason why Henning look good with the 'Phins right now than his last season with us.

[Fiz]

Their is a reason why Henning look good with the 'Phins right now than his last season with us.

well last year the panthers had a better offense, and this year their collapse has a lot more to do with leaving jake in, which yeah i guess is coaching related but last year's results kinda destroy your theory

[PantherDude]

well last year the panthers had a better offense, and this year their collapse has a lot more to do with leaving jake in, which yeah i guess is coaching related but last year's results kinda destroy your theory

I'm saying last season as in the last time he was here. That was 2006, right?

And our offense did quite better last year, but didn't do a lot more than they should & Fox is likely part of why.

[Fiz]

they were the fifth best offense in the nfl last year what the hell are you talking about

[pantherpain]

they were the fifth best offense in the nfl last year what the hell are you talking about

They were the seventh best and Dwill made it happen by running like a beast last year.

[Fiz]

They were the seventh best and Dwill made it happen by running like a beast last year.

im using FO which is better than just NFL.com

also, it wasn't just one of their runningbacks last year, and deangelo was allowed to run wild due to a confluence of factors that involved (gasp) coaching and playcalling!

unless you think deangelo was taking the ball away from jake after the snap and just doing whatever he wanted but I'm pretty sure those plays he succeeded with were called. I'm not an expert. I don't know. they looked planned though.

[pantherpain]

im using FO which is better than just NFL.com

also, it wasn't just one of their runningbacks last year, and deangelo was allowed to run wild due to a confluence of factors that involved (gasp) coaching and playcalling!

unless you think deangelo was taking the ball away from jake after the snap and just doing whatever he wanted but I'm pretty sure those plays he succeeded with were called. I'm not an expert. I don't know. they looked planned though.

Yes a lot of Dwill's run's are freelance after the planned call breaks down.

[carolinanimal]

most of our points last year came out of the running game. we had 30 touchdowns by the run, way more than the average team. i dont know if that is playcalling or just the awesomeness that is D-will.

[GRWatcher]

Yes a lot of Dwill's run's are freelance after the planned call breaks down.

Why too wouldn't this statement point to the players having problems executing? Our O-line was down right awful at times early in the season. Remember all the mistakes? God, how could anyone forget all the penalties?

If people can stop and take a look back at Belichick in 2001. They lost their home opener to the Jets, 10-3. That's the game where Bledsoe was injured and Brady finished. Here's an excerpt from an article about that game from their website.

The Patriots actually outgained their opponents 308-238 and even ran the ball somewhat effectively. New England rushed 26 times for 107 yards (4.1 yards per carry) and mixed the run and pass well at times. But turnovers, red zone inefficiency (0-for-3) and penalties at the most inopportune times spelled disaster.

“I thought Tom did a nice job of moving us down close,” guard Mike Compton said. “But we were able to get close all day. Problem was we couldn’t put it in and that’s why you lose games. We need to find a way to make the plays when we need them.”

That’s a phrase the Patriots and their fans have become all too familiar with.

Full article: http://www.patriots.com/games/index.cfm?ac=gamereportdetail&pid=1984&pcid=41

People were ready to ride Bill out of town on a rail. Then a miracle happened. Bledsoe was injured in the 2nd game of the year, Tom Brady, 7th round pick, turned out to be the QB of the new century, and Bill was saved. They went on to an 11-5 regular season record and to beating the Rams in the Super Bowl. Then dominating the AFC East for 8 of the next 9 years and scaring the rest of the NFL. No doubt that the change in QB is what turned that franchise around. But would Belichick have changed QB's if Bledsoe (even with how bad he had been playing for 2 years) had stayed healthy? We'll never know for sure but my guess is no, he would not have. He was forced to and it was Belichick's luck that Brady played that good, not that he was a brilliant coach that Sunday.

You can call Tom Brady in 2001 a miracle or happenstance or luck. But he was the one man that made the difference for the Patriots. And 30 other teams (not counting the Colts) have been looking for their Brady-turn-around since. Maybe we've found ours in Matt Moore. Unfortunately, the Brady-type-turn-around for the Panthers took place in the 13th game and not the 2nd. That's what makes next season something to look forward to. And IMO that's what will make Fox a better coach because I see him as a Belichick type of coach. He just needs a touch of Belichick's luck.

......... sorry this is so long. I've been thinking about it for days.

[Wither]

He's a good coach. What more do you need to know? There are a LOT of things you don't see televised, such as organizing practices, preparing for games, structuring the different parts of the team (O, D, ST), getting good players in, finding hidden talent, blah blah blah the list goes on. Also, this whole process involves many coaches and tons of staff, not just Fox, which means that the credit goes to more than just him. However, he is responsible for it all and leads the team, thus, that is why he gets the spotlight (and he should).

I haven't had any bad feelings about Fox and I still don't. However, the rest of you have been flipping out since the beginning of the season and seem to think you know everything. Statements like "he's too loyal" are just stupid and have no basis unless you are in the locker room meetings.