It's all about the QB's in the NFL now

[Ccat]

no i cant agree. and i have to stop replying now because my thread count is getting higher and i prefer to look like a noob on this board. I have my image to consider. enjoy your holiday.

Well then you are wrong plain and simple. Are you claiming you are smarter than college football coaches when it comes to their own defenses? I didn't know you had the naming rights to their own defenses. You are a powerful person!

[Ccat]

Highlights of Virginia Tech's 4-2-5 defense, also called the 4-4:

Highlights of TCU's 4-2-5 defense:

Youtube video of NCAA game titling the defense 4-2-5 as a base defense:

Just a couple articles about 4-2-5. Notice they call it the 4-2-5, not the nickel:

http://ezinearticles.com/?4-2-5-Defense---Five-Reasons-to-Use-It&id=2007086

http://www.scribd.com/doc/10485358/4-2-5-Defense

http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/2009/09/inside-tcu-4-2-5-defense.html

[Ccat]

personal sources:

I play in a 4-2-5 defense at Bridgewater College.

Our head coach played D1 college football, was an assistant coach at Virginia Tech, is one of the most respected head coaches in D3 football if not the most respected. (Coach Clark)

My position coach was an All American LB at Virginia Tech and was a 4th round pick in the NFL, playing for the Browns and Packers. (Ben Taylor)

There are just a few.

Still feel so smart?

[pstall]

You two should get a room.

[Sandy Claws]

The nickel defense is meant for passing situations. The 4-2-5 is an every down defense.

But I thought this entire thread is about increased emphasis on passing. That's kind of what "It's all about the QB" means isn't it? :confused:

[Ccat]

But I thought this entire thread is about increased emphasis on passing. That's kind of what "It's all about the QB" means isn't it? :confused:

Maybe you should take a look at the articles I posted. The 4-2-5 defense is good against the pass! However, the nickel defense is mainly for passing situations, the 4-2-5 defense is not JUST for passing situations. It is a base defense.

[Sandy Claws]

personal sources:

I play in a 4-2-5 defense at Bridgewater College.

Our head coach played D1 college football, was an assistant coach at Virginia Tech, is one of the most respected head coaches in D3 football if not the most respected. (Coach Clark)

My position coach was an All American LB at Virginia Tech and was a 4th round pick in the NFL, playing for the Browns and Packers. (Ben Taylor)

There are just a few.

Still feel so smart?

As somebody already pointed out, if you put 5 DBs on the field, the term nickel will be applied. If you take one out and replace him with a LB, you're back in the 4-3

Since you need links,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formation_(American_football)

Nickel formation

While the original Nickel defense utilized 5 defensive backs in conjunction with a 4 man rush, and but 2 linebackers, modern definition calls any formation that utilizes 5 defensive backs (from nickel = 5 cent piece) a Nickel defense. The Nickel defense originated as an innovation of Philadelphia Eagles defensive coach Jerry Williams in 1960 as a measure to defend star tight end Mike Ditka of the Chicago Bears. The Nickel defense was later plagiarized by then Chicago Bear's assistant George Allen who came up with the name "nickel" and later marketed the idea as his own [9]. The Nickel coverage scheme is often used when the offense is using an additional wide-receiver as it matches an extra Corner back against the extra receiver. The extra Corner is often called a nickelback. Some variations use an extra Strong Safety instead of an extra Corner.[10][11][12] Strong Safeties are often the more physical of the Safeties, often resembling Linebackers, so a Nickel with the extra Safety can be more effective against the run than one with an extra Corner. The Nickel formation comes in several varieties:

[Ccat]

I guess you didn't read any of my posts. I realize that any defense with 5 DB's can be called a nickel defense, but a true "nickel defense" normally does not refer to this defense but isntead a package that is put in for passing situations such as 3rd and long. I already gave sources that were much better than wikipedia.

Edit: How many times have I now said this yet no one has acknowledged this point. Y'all keep coming back saying the same thing over and over again and I have already addressed it multiple times. Please, learn to read.

[Sandy Claws]

It is a base defense.

So is a nickel. We used it almost all night Sunday.

[Sandy Claws]

I guess you didn't read any of my posts. I realize that any defense with 5 DB's can be called a nickel defense, but a true "nickel defense" normally does not refer to this defense but isntead a package that is put in for passing situations such as 3rd and long. I already gave sources that were much better than wikipedia.

Edit: How many times have I now said this yet no one has acknowledged this point. Y'all keep coming back saying the same thing over and over again and I have already addressed it multiple times. Please, learn to read.

It's not "CAN" be called a nickel. It IS called a nickel defense. I guess you didn't read my post. Here , I'll post it again just for you.

modern definition calls any formation that utilizes 5 defensive backs (from nickel = 5 cent piece) a Nickel defense

It doesn't make a rat's butt if it's what you want to call a "base" defense.

[Ccat]

So is a nickel. We used it almost all night Sunday.

Yes, but what I mean is that a 4-2-5 is a defense that although it could technically be called a nickel defense, is different than what most people would refer to as a nickel defense.

I think we are having a misunderstanding. What is your problem with my argument again? The whole point of my original post was to throw out a random idea for a different defense from what is normally run in the NFL. That's what I did. It's called the 4-2-5 defense. What is the problem with that?

[Ccat]

It's not "CAN" be called a nickel. It IS called a nickel defense. I guess you didn't read my post. Here , I'll post it again just for you.

It doesn't make a rat's butt if it's what you want to call a "base" defense.

I guess you didn't read any of my links either. People that run the defense I am speaking of do not call it a nickel defense. They call it the 4-2-5 or in some instances the 4-4. That's what they call it!!! That's all I'm saying, I don't understand what the frickin point of all this arguing is. If you want to, take it up with Coach Beamer, Bud Foster, Coach Clark, or another coach that runs this defense.

[Guest DrewBreesIsGod]

personal sources:

I play in a 4-2-5 defense at Bridgewater College.

Our head coach played D1 college football, was an assistant coach at Virginia Tech, is one of the most respected head coaches in D3 football if not the most respected. (Coach Clark)

My position coach was an All American LB at Virginia Tech and was a 4th round pick in the NFL, playing for the Browns and Packers. (Ben Taylor)

There are just a few.

Still feel so smart?

Ease off this guy man, he clearly knows his stuff going to a community college and all.

[Sandy Claws]

I guess you didn't read any of my links either. People that run the defense I am speaking of do not call it a nickel defense. They call it the 4-2-5 or in some instances the 4-4. That's what they call it!!! That's all I'm saying, I don't understand what the frickin point of all this arguing is. If you want to, take it up with Coach Beamer, Bud Foster, Coach Clark, or another coach that runs this defense.

DUDE

It's a nickel

Some coaches that play it routinely don't like the gimicky name and choose to call it a 425, but by the fdefinitions that you chose to ignore, IT'S A NICKEL.