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How much do you think Tepper influenced "the pick"


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8 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Daniel Snyder had his hands all over Washington and repeatedly over ruled his football guys. He's actually the reason Burns is a Panther. The GM and coaches didn't want Haskins but that was who he wanted and he made that pick. They took Sweat, an edge rusher, with their second 1st rounder.

Snyder and that dude in Dallas are exceptions. That's why Snyder is gone. He drove that storied franchise into the ground. Tepper is not Snyder. Not even close. No one is. Maybe ever. 

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1 hour ago, Navy_football said:

When did we start blaming owners for bad offenses? He isn't the GM or coach. He pays the bills. And Tepper will pay to bring in the best guys available. That's all you want in an owner. Rhule was a hot commodity when he came here. It didn't work. Tepper moved on before the contract was over. He payed Rhule to leave Carolina when it was obvious he wasn't the guy! And he's PAID for an all-star staff here now! That comes out of his bottom line. That ain't cap folks! 

You realize Tepper is the reason we hired Frank Reich, who is the reason for this bad offense because of his poor play calling. Also Tepper hired Scott Fitterer who has made terrible decision after terrible decision. Tepper may be willing to pay, but he knows nothing at the football level and keeps whiffing on all his hires.

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Lol.

Scott and Frank didn’t even discuss their opinion on who they wanted until a couple of weeks before the draft. Scott walked into Franks office and finally asked and they laughed and said Bryce. Scott and Frank both repeatedly used the word “conviction” when talking about deciding to make the trade up to #1 and who they were selecting. That means they were already settled on Bryce or truly believed multiple QBs were worthy of the trade up. The truth is, it’s all a load of complete poo. New coach always means new QB. Frank will sink or swim with Bryce as will Scott. 

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There was plainly obviously a level of steering the team toward Bryce Young. The Tepper's brought us Matt Rhule zero winning seasons Scott Fitterer Teddy Bridgewater Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield. But Dave and his wife are suddenly pro scouts? This always had a high percentage of ending poorly. You let the football minds run the show. You don't turn the process into a sideshow to get your wife a photo op.

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15 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

I get the whole Tepper made the pick narrative, but let’s not pretend like it was some insane reach and Young wasn’t ranked at the top QB on most draft boards. Our staff should be able to produce with Young, Stroud, or AR IMO.

People are talking like we picked Will Levis or Hendon Hooker first overall or some poo.  Yeah I bet Bryce Young would have fallen out of the first unless David Tepper dickslapped Scott Fitterer and made him draft him.

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It wasn't 100% and it wasn't 0%. 

Meh Young can bust hard as the best of them and you still have a hiring problem well in front of the drafting problem. The trade up is what aggressive but stupid looks like and that sure looks like what Tepper has been trying for years. This wasn't a stud at # 1 year, it wasn't as bad as last year, and they went all in. There are so many mistakes being made that just focusing on the Young whompwhomp is a giant oversimplification of how poorly this team is run. I do give them props on improving the PR BS post Rhule. Back to the old JR 'I said it was this way so it was this way' days. OF course they all look like fools now but whatever, it's a 3 or 5 or 7 year plan...

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