If they leaned hard into a rebuild, this would be much easier to swallow

[hepcat]

30 minutes ago, MGH1989 said:

I think the expectations of winning came more from the fanbase and the state of the division more than anything else. 
 

There are some glaring issues on this team that is making it hard to compete. Namely the offensive line, receivers, and overall depth. The former I think has more to do with injures than anything, but I still think you need some young guys to develop and get better depth on the line. As to the receiving core, I think we grossly overestimated the additions as being at least average enough to get by when it’s been probably the worst group in the league.

Bad receivers and little protection had really hurt Bruce, who I think had been good given everything. Yet, I think we also overestimated someone as prepared as Bryce being able to overcome the stayed issues. At the end of the day he is still a rookie.

With all that said, I think you’re going overboard on how much of a rebuild is needed. You have playmakers at every level of the defense, which has balled out despite injuries. You need depth, but it’s basically there. Offense is more a work in progress, but you know what you need to improve. I don’t think this team is more than an off season away from being where they want to if the FO can hit on the moves they need to.

The expectations also came from Steve Wilks going 6-6 with Matt Rhule’s roster. Wilks made this team look competent again for a little while. We thought now that we have this “all star” coaching staff and the #1 overall draft pick, we would improve. Instead, all of a sudden we suck ass again. And to top it all off we don’t have a 1st round pick next season.

I was against hiring Wilks just because of the mistakes he made in the Tampa game after building a lead, but if I had know what a disaster this season I would have said otherwise. Hiring him, signing Darnold to a 1 year deal, trading Burns, and going after a QB in 2024’s potentially legendary QB class was the move 

[RJK]

They’re 3 years away regardless. Panthers won’t see the playoffs with Reich as HC imo. I’m on the fence about them making it with Bryce before his rookie deal runs out, as the new coach will want his guy and we start the process all over again.

Edited September 21, 2023 by RJK

[33inNC]

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

The expectations also came from Steve Wilks going 6-6 with Matt Rhule’s roster. Wilks made this team look competent again for a little while. We thought now that we have this “all star” coaching staff and the #1 overall draft pick, we would improve. Instead, all of a sudden we suck ass again. And to top it all off we don’t have a 1st round pick next season.

I was against hiring Wilks just because of the mistakes he made in the Tampa game after building a lead, but if I had know what a disaster this season I would have said otherwise. Hiring him, signing Darnold to a 1 year deal, trading Burns, and going after a QB in 2024’s potentially legendary QB class was the move 

Add to this the asinine RB carrousel. Let Foreman go because you don't want to pay him, yet pay Miles Sanders to come here and suck ass. We have no power backs and an expensive back who is not producing. 

Add to that the damage Rhule and co did to the WR corps with no development and here we are. 

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, Sgt Schultz said:

We are not in a complete rebuild, and probably don't need to be. 

We have a decent OL, but little depth.  We knew coming in that if any of our starters there missed time it was going to be trouble.  But I am of the thinking that OL need to be added every year, if nothing else to shore up depth.  300+ pound guys grinding on other 300+ pound guys are going to get hurt.

We have some defensive pieces in place.  Secondary is a problem, especially since Horn can't stay on the field.

The skill positions on offense are in a total rebuild.  That, combined with the injuries and lack of OL depth to deal with them is a huge problem. Thus far we look like a team with dysfunctional skill players on offense and injuries on the OL and no depth to deal with them.

so what you are saying is that we are in a total rebuild

[33inNC]

2 minutes ago, 33inNC said:

Add to this the asinine RB carrousel. Let Foreman go because you don't want to pay him, yet pay Miles Sanders to come here and suck ass. We have no power backs and an expensive back who is not producing. 

Add to that the damage Rhule and co did to the WR corps with no development and here we are. 

Also, don't forget about us letting go of oodles of CBs and a very productive pass rusher in Reddick. 

[4Corners]

This is the second best thread and second best post on the huddle today. 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Knaakedup said:

This staff came into this season all wrong. Instead of leading everyone on with making us think and believe we were "just a QB away" from contending, they should have leaned hard into a rebuild and all of this would be much easier to swallow. 

Not only that, we literally have nobody on this roster that is a "cornerstone player" like Luke, TD, Olsen, or Cam. This team is just so sad and unrecognizable compared to previous iterations. We've had 2 strong eras of different players that gave this team an identity, first being the Delhomme, Smitty, and Peppers time. Both of these eras led to a Super Bowl. I look at this mish mash of random players and theres just no fuging way we're going anywhere close to the promised land any time soon. There isn't a single player on this team that I am attached to like I have been during each one of those eras. 

Fit is a complete dumbass for not taking those picks for Burns last year, which would have set us up nicely to retain capital we needed to find those future cornerstone players and not come into the season with a wide receiver group that share lead soles in their cleats. That whiff alone is an offense that should have him sailing away into the sunset. What are we going to do now? Pay top 5 DE money for a middle of the pack player that shows up every other game? Trade him when everyone knows that we would only be trading him to get away from that contract so we will end up with half of what was offered last year? fuging disaster.

Since game 1 of preseason we have looked like a complete dumpster fire with offensive ideas from Madden on easy mode. I cannot wrap my head around how we are so damn cursed with offense here. I know people are saying to give Frank time, blah, blah, blah, but c'mon guys, his poo does not pass the eye test. Our offense looks the exact same as it did in preseason when we "weren't showing our hand". 

My desire to watch Andy Dalton be our QB this weekend puts me as a fan at an all time low. Like, somehow worse than an imaginary game with Pickles as our QB and Rhule being the coach. 

No opinion yet on Bryce, he's a complete "whatever, man" in my world right now until he has something that resembles a competent coaching staff that properly builds around his strengths and for the love of god, get some real weapons. 

Other than that we should be offloading everyone else. Burn this ship to the ground and try again before we waste more years. Frank is not the guy, I've seen enough. Amass as much draft capital as possible, trade back every round, i don't give a fug, but own the fact that we've done nothing but make bad move after bad move for the last 4 years and commit to fixing it, not slapping bandaids on it to keep butts in the seats. I'm sure someone will chime in here "who do you suggest as a coach, genius" and to that I say - no fuging clue, I'm not that guy, but lord knows I have seen enough bad coaching staffs being a fan of this team to already know this one isn't taking us where we want to go. 

 

Totally disagree. Young is going to be fantastic in a few years. Did you see Manning play as a rookie? I did and it was ugly.  Guys like Burns, Moton, Chinn, Hekker among others are great players. We have a bunch of upcoming guys with great ability who are learning and growing.  Only a casual angry fan would throw in the towel after 2 games. Did you expect him to do what no other rookie qb has done in a decade which was win his first start or look great immediately?

I said months ago that we would likely start slow and could lose our first several games but by the end of the year we will be a tough out and could challenge for the division (assuming that no one wins more than 10 games). I still hold to that view. Have I been disappointed through 2 games? Absolutely, but what I am watching for is game to game improvement and we surely played a better game Monday versus Atlanta.

This staff is a good staff based on their previous performances and once they gel will help us really get things rolling.

I am not sad Andy is starting. I suspect Bryce could use a rest and watch the veteran play while he watches and see what happens on the field. I have heard a number of QBs say it helped them to play, sit and then play again. 

I am not looking at this as 4 years of sucking. I look at this as 2 games into a new improved regime where Tepper finally did something right.

I expected a bunch of whining and bitching from huddle members as that is what they do

 But I have to admit I didn't expect this much after 2 games.  I stayed away for 48 hours to hope the whining would die down but it seems to be a Neverending story around here.

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Totally disagree. Young is going to be fantastic in a few years. Did you see Manning play as a rookie? I did and it was ugly.  Guys like Burns, Moton, Chinn, Hekker among others are great players. We have a bunch of upcoming guys with great ability who are learning and growing.  Only a casual angry fan would throw in the towel after 2 games. Did you expect him to do what no other rookie qb has done in a decade which was win his first start or look great immediately?

I said months ago that we would likely start slow and could lose our first several games but by the end of the year we will be a tough out and could challenge for the division (assuming that no one wins more than 10 games). I still hold to that view. Have I been disappointed through 2 games? Absolutely, but what I am watching for is game to game improvement and we surely played a better game Monday versus Atlanta.

This staff is a good staff based on their previous performances and once they gel will help us really get things rolling.

I am not sad Andy is starting. I suspect Bryce could use a rest and watch the veteran play while he watches and see what happens on the field. I have heard a number of QBs say it helped them to play, sit and then play again. 

I am not looking at this as 4 years of sucking. I look at this as 2 games into a new improved regime where Tepper finally did something right.

I expected a bunch of whining and bitching from huddle members as that is what they do

 But I have to admit I didn't expect this much after 2 games.  I stayed away for 48 hours to hope the whining would die down but it seems to be a Neverending story around here.

 

[mrcompletely11]

its funny when the huddle forgets it keeps receipts 

[mc52beast]

I was going to post a long in-depth comment about how the Panthers seem to be the new Bad News Bears of the NFL but then I realized that this team isn’t even funny or fun to watch, they’re borderline pathetic.

[panthers55]

11 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

its funny when the huddle forgets it keeps receipts 

Keep going. I said a lot of things including what I said I did. Why do you get pleasure out of trying to discredit others?  Low self- esteem and feelings of inadequacy which you think makes you look better at the expense of others?

Edited September 22, 2023 by panthers55

[MartyClemons]

Meh. I was worried last seasons ending would be a bit of fools gold.

 

But I also think it’s easy to say some of this in hindsight. I think the team thought it had potential cornerstones in Ickey and Burns along with Young.  Maybe even hoped Horn could be one. 
 

In some ways Dalton starting a couple weeks could be for the best. Gives a barometer of where the rest of the offense is at

[MGH1989]

50 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

bull fuging poo

Did the team ever state what the legitimate goals were? Was it playoffs or bust from them? I never saw it. Of course they are always going to say they want to win because that’s what they all say.

[Ghostface Chilla]

22 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Totally disagree. Young is going to be fantastic in a few years. Did you see Manning play as a rookie? I did and it was ugly.  Guys like Burns, Moton, Chinn, Hekker among others are great players. We have a bunch of upcoming guys with great ability who are learning and growing.  Only a casual angry fan would throw in the towel after 2 games. Did you expect him to do what no other rookie qb has done in a decade which was win his first start or look great immediately?

I said months ago that we would likely start slow and could lose our first several games but by the end of the year we will be a tough out and could challenge for the division (assuming that no one wins more than 10 games). I still hold to that view. Have I been disappointed through 2 games? Absolutely, but what I am watching for is game to game improvement and we surely played a better game Monday versus Atlanta.

This staff is a good staff based on their previous performances and once they gel will help us really get things rolling.

I am not sad Andy is starting. I suspect Bryce could use a rest and watch the veteran play while he watches and see what happens on the field. I have heard a number of QBs say it helped them to play, sit and then play again. 

I am not looking at this as 4 years of sucking. I look at this as 2 games into a new improved regime where Tepper finally did something right.

I expected a bunch of whining and bitching from huddle members as that is what they do

 But I have to admit I didn't expect this much after 2 games.  I stayed away for 48 hours to hope the whining would die down but it seems to be a Neverending story around here.

I agree with this post. The only thing I see is that with our current roster, Reich's play calling is failing hands down. We simply don't have the speedy skill players needed for his play calling. I would really like to see Brown get the calls sooner than later. I know Reich said he'd hand it over after 4-5 games, but with the past 2 weeks, why wait? 

 

Also, I will watch every Sunday because when the team finally clicks, all the doom and gloomers will be back on here going overboard in the other direction! lol!