Post Mortem: Game 2

[Sir Big Spurr]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

You think Dalton Schultz is "0"?

Hell, even Dameon Pierce has looked pretty decent at runningback.

Dameon Pierce is averaging about 35 ypg this year. 
 

For someone who likes to call others ignorant about football, you seem to just be throwing poo at the wall right now. 

[OldhamA]

7 hours ago, davos said:

The omission of concepts shouldn't limit what we're giving Young.  You create a more limiting system within the same concept and grow it from there for these guys.  This doesn't look like we're pulling anything from successful modern offenses.  The framework isn't there. 

Does Young have the arm to make those throws?

[joemac]

9 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Also, quick note to the "everything sucks and everybody needs to be cut or fired" crowd that no doubt will want to come in and sh-t all over everything with weeping and wailing, grashing of teeth and absolute assurance that this team will never be any good and it all must be burned down as soon as possible...

Yeah sorry , not interested

You can have your opinions. I have mine. And if you don't like mine (or me) afraid that's not really high on my list of concerns... especially not right now. There are much bigger things on my mind than this.

So if I don't pay a whole lot of attention to whatever criticism or critique you have, afraid you'll just have to deal with it for now. Got more important things to worry about.

If you wanna discuss actual football stuff, cool. But if your whole argument is basically "everything sucks"?

Yeah, don't care

And still with all that, and how bad the offense looked most of the game, we are 2 miraculous catches from Olave and Thomas from probably winning that game....

[ickmule]

28 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Does Young have the arm to make those throws?

No. 

[joemac]

1 hour ago, OUCPFL said:

 

299 yards on 71 attempts is......something.  Thats for sure.  But hes throwing to a bunch of guys who would be WR3/4 at best on any other team. 

[davos]

21 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Does Young have the arm to make those throws?

Absolutely.  

What I'm just getting at is that this looks unfortunately similar to Frank's Indy offense .  It's dissapointing because he sold us that they were developing something new, learning from his past.  It's quite evident, it's not us easing Bryce into anything, the offense is not in the mold of the more popular stretch zone style stuff that's all the rage.  The forefront offenses are all about stretching defenses horizontally--then countering with bunch formations and pre-snap motions to keep them on their feet just when the defense thinks they're getting a handle.  It's about a rhythm between those calls.  Play designs allow for high percentage targets early and naturally opens the field up.  Has made life easy on Purdy, Tua, and Baker thus far this year.    

We're just not implementing any concepts that stretch the field and open the D up.  We're in single back, shotgun, and pistol, running triangle patterns (vertical and horiz stretching is combined).  So we're just running stuff like a snag pattern and Bryce is natural drifting to his right with the corner route as primary.  In concept, this should leave some easy guys open, but it has been more often just the RB that runs to the flat/rail and Bryce sends it off for a short gain.    

They have been bragging about how high a percentage they've been able to install with Bryce already so this isn't some limited portion of it.  

What they've installed seems very antiquated (early 2010s)

[TheCasillas]

8 hours ago, Jackie Lee said:

Yeah he has Dell and 0 else

You are crazy if you are overlooking Nico Collins… the guy will probably be one of the best receivers in the AFC this year. He has boom potential written all over him. Even when the Texans drafted him people were foaming bc of his abilities.
 

Dell

Collins
Metchie
Schultz 

woods

 

that is a great group of receivers. 

[TheCasillas]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

As far as Sanders, no he hasn't accomplished anything significant yet. It's still just a couple of games against subpar opponents. His next two games are going to be a lot more challenging.

I'd add that if you're hoping for Sanders to become a pro coach, you can drop that idea. He's already stated that he doesn't want to coach at the pro level.

Sanders won’t go pro bc he is taking advantage of the NIL. Sanders and his investors are pretty brilliant right now … they aren’t just coaching football, they are treating college football like a professional futbol club in Europe.

the strategy in Europe is that if you buy a futbol club and pump money into it and buy players then you will bring more fans and more money into club’s revenue streams. Then the club gets promoted and the owners become filthy rich.

 

sanders is doing the exact same thing with Colorado. He is making so much money on the growth of the fan base and popularity. He shared in a podcast that he has a % revenue in his contract with Colorado. So he isn’t just making his coaching salary, but he profiting off of their popularity and merch sales. 
 

this is an example of how NIL is ruining college football, bc the next “Deion” is gonna so the same thing to another losing school. Eventually, these kids will be treated like futbol players and go where the biggest money opportunity is.

[Sir Big Spurr]

28 minutes ago, joemac said:

299 yards on 71 attempts is......something.  Thats for sure.  But hes throwing to a bunch of guys who would be WR3/4 at best on any other team. 

You're not wrong, but some of the same posters pointing out a talent issue are also trying to praise Fitt for the job he’s doing. You can’t have it both ways. 

[joemac]

19 minutes ago, davos said:

Absolutely.  

What I'm just getting at is that this looks unfortunately similar to Frank's Indy offense .  It's dissapointing because he sold us that they were developing something new, learning from his past.  It's quite evident, it's not us easing Bryce into anything, the offense is not in the mold of the more popular stretch zone style stuff that's all the rage.  The forefront offenses are all about stretching defenses horizontally--then countering with bunch formations and pre-snap motions to keep them on their feet just when the defense thinks they're getting a handle.  It's about a rhythm between those calls.  Play designs allow for high percentage targets early and naturally opens the field up.  Has made life easy on Purdy, Tua, and Baker thus far this year.    

We're just not implementing any concepts that stretch the field and open the D up.  We're in single back, shotgun, and pistol, running triangle patterns (vertical and horiz stretching is combined).  So we're just running stuff like a snag pattern and Bryce is natural drifting to his right with the corner route as primary.  In concept, this should leave some easy guys open, but it has been more often just the RB that runs to the flat/rail and Bryce sends it off for a short gain.    

They have been bragging about how high a percentage they've been able to install with Bryce already so this isn't some limited portion of it.  

What they've installed seems very antiquated (early 2010s)

I've been talking to some Indy fans on Twitter and they are saying the exact same things.  Its Frank.  Also its our awful weapons, but Frank could innovate and scheme some guys open every once and a while.  Its beyond time to turn the reigns over to Brown.  Why get a guy like that if you don't want him to call plays?

[travisura]

3 minutes ago, joemac said:

I've been talking to some Indy fans on Twitter and they are saying the exact same things.  Its Frank.  Also its our awful weapons, but Frank could innovate and scheme some guys open every once and a while.  Its beyond time to turn the reigns over to Brown.  Why get a guy like that if you don't want him to call plays?

Only thing that comes to mind is that Brown has never called plays before. We're not privy to the inside conversations but I assume the plan is to hand the reigns over at some point, but who knows what criteria they're looking for.

[Growl]

41 minutes ago, joemac said:

299 yards on 71 attempts is......something.  Thats for sure.  But hes throwing to a bunch of guys who would be WR3/4 at best on any other team. 

yeah I can’t really evaluate Young. There’s legitimately nothing there. More concerning though is that it isn’t just talent, they were incredibly, incredibly vanilla in the first half.
 

They opened it up a bit in the second half but the athleticism at the WR position was still an Achilles heel and once the dam broke at CB-probably for good as it pertains this season-the game felt out of reach even being down by just a few. Failing to connect on the big Mingo pass was probably a potential game changer, but honestly you’ve got to try teams down the field more than that 

second game in a row where we’re sitting here talking about that *one* missed opportunity in the passing game.

i suspect this is probably an extension of training camp and Young and the receivers haven’t developed good timing with one another down the field. Young is used to throwing to guys a lot faster than terrace Marshall (who did absolutely nothing last night) which would explain why these passes are just a bit long

Edited September 19, 2023 by Growl

[joemac]

3 minutes ago, Growl said:

yeah I can’t really evaluate Young. There’s legitimately nothing there. More concerning though is that it isn’t just talent, they were incredibly, incredibly vanilla in the first half.
 

They opened it up a bit in the second half but the athleticism at the WR position was still an Achilles heel and once the dam broke at CB-probably for good as it pertains this season-the game felt out of reach even being down by just a few. Failing to connect on the big Mingo pass was probably a potential game changer, but honestly you’ve got to try teams down the field more than that 

second game in a row where we’re sitting here talking about that *one* missed opportunity in the passing game.

i suspect this is probably an extension of training camp and Young and the receivers haven’t developed good timing with one another down the field. Young is used to throwing to guys a lot faster than terrace Marshall (who did absolutely nothing last night) which would explain why these passes are just a bit long

I'm not sure why we didn't at least attempt a go ball or 2 with Chark, who is supposed to be one of the fastest guys in the league, and is also 6'4".  This offense reminds me of the Jeff Davidson led offenses which were putrid to watch.

[WhoKnows]

Three things that I noticed last night. First was something I already felt. Marshall isn’t good enough to be our answer at WR. The team seems to agree a bit as Mingo was out there a lot. I would like to see the snaps. Second is way more concerning. Granderson, who has a career high 5.5 sacks, looked like a monster against Iky. Third, Burns seemed to be easily handled by Ramzyck (I think it was him mainly) with a simple chip or just by himself.

I will say that I missed parts of the game, but I didn’t feel good about 2 or 3. 1 was as expected to me.