A loss to the Saints on MNF would be as bad a start as the Panthers can get.

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Nowhere did I say that we had to be the absolute worst team in the league to do that.

I said you either trade up when you have a better roster in place (which I'm not even saying is the case here anyways, I personally think we have the better roster in place, but remember this whole thing started in regards to the point of whether this year is the first of a "rebuild" or not).

OR

You take the QB with your own pick, which doesn't have to be the #1 pick in the draft, ESPECIALLY with what next year's QB draft class is going to look like.  There is a very real chance that next year's class has 4 or 5 QB's that would have gone #1 overall in most drafts.  There is a good chance some of them will fall to the 7-10 region of the draft, and even if they don't, it would have been easier to trade up from say 8 to 4 next year than it was to go from 9 to 1 this past year.

And I have to say this again, the whole point of this that it's just asinine to excuse away a bad year as "it's the first year of a rebuild" as that's not how the staff handled this offseason.  That's the point in all this that you seem to not want to admit for some strange reason.

This isn't the first time I've seen you call this year a rebuild and using that as a reason people need to lower their expectations.  It's like you're just trying to get people to be okay with having a bad season because it's the first year of the staff and QB, but you can't look at the season in a vacuum based on only those two factors.

You have to look at the totality of the moves we made to get here and the fact that we gave up next year's first, in a stupid good QB class, to draft Bryce.  Once they did that, they lost the ability to call this a rebuild and lower expectations for this year.

I was never expecting to be a SB contender this year and called those who did, idiots.  But after FA and the draft, with the moves we made, I fully expected us to contend in the division and end up with somewhere between 7 and 10 wins, realistically figuring it would be 8 or 9.  Which is why I view saying this season is the start of a rebuild to the point of accepting being a possible bottom of the standings team, equally as idiotic as those expecting SB contention.

Oh sure. I mean it's perfectly reasonable to just ask any good players we have on our team to wait around till we're "ready" to draft that guy.

Good grief dude, this isn't Madden

[Ricky Spanish]

Just now, ForJimmy said:

And Lawrence wasn’t even a rookie for the Jags through that first half struggle. 

Kind of was, Urban Meyer wasted his first season much like Rhule wasted 3 of ours.

I swear Rhule thanks god every day that Meyer was coaching the same time he was because he would have gotten waaaaaaaaay more heat for being a failed college coach if Urban hadn't been both a bad coach and terrible person while doing it.

[ForJimmy]

Just now, CRA said:

NFL teams operate like mom and pop shops.  Tepper hires the people that officially make the decisions and is in on all the big decisions. 

Length of time as an owner isn’t really ever considered when people are talking about teams during a rebuild. It’s turning over a new roster while shedding off the old vet contracts.

[Brent Gregory]

If Bryce plays the short game tomorrow night and throws picks it will be officially be panick time. The guys drafted behind him have already displayed some serious talent with crap rosters. 140 yards passing isn't going to get anyone excited. Throwing more picks is going to kill the buzz on his elite processing skills. Tomorrow night is a huge game for this team and a positive step in his career. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Week 8 people.

Just get to week 8.

If we still look lost starting week 9, then consider getting upset.

Rhule's stank is still all over this franchise and we need to exercise the demons. Same thing happened with the Jags last year after Meyer. Started 2-6, ended 9-8 and made the playoffs.

But we wanna win NOW!!!

Oy

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, Brent Gregory said:

If Bryce plays the short game tomorrow night and throws picks it will be officially be panick time. The guys drafted behind him have already displayed some serious talent with crap rosters. 140 yards passing isn't going to get anyone excited. Throwing more picks is going to kill the buzz on his elite processing skills. Tomorrow night is a huge game for this team and a positive step in his career. 

At no point after just two games will it be "panic time".

[ForJimmy]

1 minute ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Kind of was, Urban Meyer wasted his first season much like Rhule wasted 3 of ours.

I swear Rhule thanks god every day that Meyer was coaching the same time he was because he would have gotten waaaaaaaaay more heat for being a failed college coach if Urban hadn't been both a bad coach and terrible person while doing it.

That’s a fair point. Meyer probably did more damage to Lawrence’s development that offset any experience he gained. 

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, Brent Gregory said:

If Bryce plays the short game tomorrow night and throws picks it will be officially be panick time. The guys drafted behind him have already displayed some serious talent with crap rosters. 140 yards passing isn't going to get anyone excited. Throwing more picks is going to kill the buzz on his elite processing skills. Tomorrow night is a huge game for this team and a positive step in his career. 

I mean, Bryce Young’s skill set is small ball.  He just doesn’t have the skill talent to play that game.  

nothing wrong with small ball if it is highly efficient.    But you need the skill players.  Brady did it in New England late in his career.  But he had the talent that suited it.  Awesome TE,  elite slot players, pass catching RBs. 

[Wundrbread33]

3 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

The clock resets if you Draft Richardson and hire Steichen (for example). Both have upside, but you know they're learning on the job.

It doesn't reset when you hire Reich and draft 'the most NFL ready QB' in Young with 5 premium picks. You're very much in 'win now' mode. That trade took all the air out of the season for me.

I understand the concern with Young’s ceiling. We share that.
 

These guys have to get to the point where they aren’t “thinking,” but “playing” in the new systems that come with a new staff. 
 

And a rookie QB is still a rookie QB. 
 

When we replaced the staff, there’s always a learning period. I’d expect more initially if we kept Wilks and the continuity that would have come with that. 
 

The intent though, is to take 1 step back, then 2 steps forward. 
 

We’ll see. 

[hepcat]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

NFL teams operate like mom and pop shops.  Tepper hires the people that officially make the decisions and is in on all the big decisions. 

so when we trade CMC,  mortgage everything for a rookie QB, RH implodes, hire new coaches ….those are decisions Tepper is in on.  

Tepper and his wife (who didn’t complete some kind of diversity training before interviewing the candidates from what I remember) interviewed the head coaching candidates. Tepper personally went to Matt Rhule’s house to interview him. Tepper was heavily involved with the GM search as well. He’s as hands on as an owner can get to a fault. Anyone saying otherwise is straight up wrong.

 

[rayzor]

Seriously a good few of you just need to quit watching football or get therapy.

[Ricky Spanish]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

But we wanna win NOW!!!

Oy

I get it, I want to win now too, and for a while this offseason I was drinking the kool-aid.

But the more I looked at where we were before Reich got here, the more it reminded me of the Jags last offseason, so I have been expecting a slow start with a strong finish for the past few months now.

[Panthercougar68]

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

Tepper and his wife (who didn’t complete some kind of diversity training before interviewing the candidates from what I remember) interviewed the head coaching candidates. Tepper personally went to Matt Rhule’s house to interview him. Tepper was heavily involved with the GM search as well. He’s as hands on as an owner can get to a fault. Anyone saying otherwise is straight up wrong.

 

This actually didn’t happen…also Nicole wasn’t involved in Rhule’s interview Matt came to Charlotte and Hurney is the one who fell head over heels for him 

[TheCasillas]

god damn yal waste mental energy on the weirdest stuff