Why Does Everyone Keep Calling This a Total Rebuild?

[tukafan21]

I am all for being realistic when judging the team after just one game, but for the life of me I don't understand why so many people are saying we're in a total re-build and using that as an excuse for potentially being a bottom 5 team this year.

We were 7-9 last year and outside of our #1 WR spot, I don't think there isn't a single position on the squad that we didn't at worst keep the same, in most cases have an upgraded that position from last year, even at QB as even knowing there will be growing pains with Bryce, he's already way better than our QB situation last year.

On offense we kept our entire OL (albeit with one temporary replacement due to injury) while upgrading at RB, TE, and while we lost Moore which hurts, the rest of our WRs are better than anything we had last year (assuming TMJ were to improve but I'm starting to worry there to be honest).  On defense we switched to a scheme that should put both Burns and Brown in better positions to utilize their talents, brought in Houston who should be a better pass rusher than anything we had after Burns last year while also bringing in Bell on the back end.

That doesn't sound like a team in a total re-build to me, it sounds like a 7-9 team that improved their roster over the previous season.

If we really were in a total re-build, in today's NFL, you don't START it by trading away a ton of assets for a QB.  You get through the first couple of rough years of re-setting the roster with better contracts and younger players and then make your move for the QB, usually through the draft since you'll have a high pick from the struggling years of the early re-build and will end up with a Top 5 pick during one of them.

 

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

It's not a total rebuild, it's a partial rebuild. Either you commit to a rebuild or you don't. We better hope BY is our franchise guy or we'll be doing a real rebuild in 3 years. 

[Rubi]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

I am all for being realistic when judging the team after just one game, but for the life of me I don't understand why so many people are saying we're in a total re-build and using that as an excuse for potentially being a bottom 5 team this year.

We were 7-9 last year and outside of our #1 WR spot, I don't think there isn't a single position on the squad that we didn't at worst keep the same, in most cases have an upgraded that position from last year, even at QB as even knowing there will be growing pains with Bryce, he's already way better than our QB situation last year.

On offense we kept our entire OL (albeit with one temporary replacement due to injury) while upgrading at RB, TE, and while we lost Moore which hurts, the rest of our WRs are better than anything we had last year (assuming TMJ were to improve but I'm starting to worry there to be honest).  On defense we switched to a scheme that should put both Burns and Brown in better positions to utilize their talents, brought in Houston who should be a better pass rusher than anything we had after Burns last year while also bringing in Bell on the back end.

That doesn't sound like a team in a total re-build to me, it sounds like a 7-9 team that improved their roster over the previous season.

If we really were in a total re-build, in today's NFL, you don't START it by trading away a ton of assets for a QB.  You get through the first couple of rough years of re-setting the roster with better contracts and younger players and then make your move for the QB, usually through the draft since you'll have a high pick from the struggling years of the early re-build and will end up with a Top 5 pick during one of them.

 

 

The reason why this team has stunk for the last 6-7 years is because they didn’t embrace a full rebuild fwiw. They should’ve off loaded players for picks and cap room but they wanted to be competitive enough to win 6-7 games a year instead. 

[hepcat]

I agree for the most part because Steve Wilks went 6-6 with Matt Rhule’s roster and was honestly a miracle worker with what he had on the field. You’d think this highly paid “all star” coaching staff could do better than lowly old Steve Wilks. If they don’t have a better record than 7-10 then it was a mistake to not hire Wilks IMO. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Cope.

How is it a total rebuild? We've blown a lot of our roster building capital. We aren't in great cap space and we traded a lot of draft assets. What are we to build with?

 

[Ricky Spanish]

2 minutes ago, hepcat said:

I agree for the most part because Steve Wilks went 6-6 with Matt Rhule’s roster and was honestly a miracle worker with what he had on the field. You’d think this highly paid “all star” coaching staff could do better than lowly old Steve Wilks. If they don’t have a better record than 7-10 then it was a mistake to not hire Wilks IMO. 

I didn't want to retain Wilks personally but that is a completely fair argument to make.

[Jackie Lee]

You don't trade up to #1 for a 5'10" QB if you are in a rebuild. I'm starting to think Tepper is a dumbass micromanager with too much money, everyone else just cashing checks

[NAS]

Well when some of us wanted us to tank last year when Rhule was fired, many crucified us but it would have allowed us to have a potential franchise QB without trading away future picks or assets like DJ Moore

[Byrdman4real]

3 hours ago, NAS said:

Well when some of us wanted us to tank last year when Rhule was fired, many crucified us but it would have allowed us to have a potential franchise QB without trading away future picks or assets like DJ Moore

This

[top dawg]

No team has ever done a literal "total rebuild." The closest thing you'll ever see to a total rebuild is what Prime did at Colorado. We are trying to rebuild this team into a perennial winner, much like the team's in the top echelon of the league. I guess you could call it a makeover, but that doesn't sound as manly. We're basically just trying to set down and establish a framework--a production machine that will keep turning out winners every year regardless of the specific parts. We have never been that.

[Vegas Heel]

I don't know call me optimistic but I think we're a number one wide receiver and reliable starting cornerback away from playoffs.

[PghPanther]

Rebuild?

This is the NFL and with player career life expectancy along with free agency trading dictates that if you don't have your poop together in 3 years you will constantly be in a rebuilding mode...........at some point you need to have a secure healthy teams and say here it is folks. 

Panthers have been demonstrating a prototypical approach to a rebuilding reset mode ever since that hedge fund "I don't care how they play as long as my investment yields value that out paces inflation" Tepper took over.  

[CRA]

7 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

 

If we really were in a total re-build, in today's NFL, you don't START it by trading away a ton of assets for a QB.  You get through the first couple of rough years of re-setting the roster with better contracts and younger players and then make your move for the QB, usually through the draft since you'll have a high pick from the struggling years of the early re-build and will end up with a Top 5 pick during one of them.

 

 

I mean this section right here basically attempts to explain how we aren’t a rebuild by describing how we are a rebuild. 

1.  We traded away our 2 best offensive players in an offensive league for draft picks 

2.  We hired a brand new staff with new O and a new D scheme

3.  We spent our resources on the #1 pick QB and planned to start him essentially before he stepped on a field 

4. We got signed a bunch of bandaids all over the offense until we can actually bring in and build around Young.  Probably the weakest skill talent around a QB in the NFL. 

but we didn’t literally trade every human of value.  That doesn’t somehow void the reality of a rebuild.  Literally all that young talent is on rookie deals.  They aren’t on bad contracts  yet.  And they are clearly doing their best to not make Burns a bad one. 

this is a NFL rebuild.  If it isn’t, NFL rebuilds don’t exists.  Which if you don’t think a NFL team rebuilds that’s fine. But if they do, then we are one. 

[hepcat]

5 hours ago, NAS said:

Well when some of us wanted us to tank last year when Rhule was fired, many crucified us but it would have allowed us to have a potential franchise QB without trading away future picks or assets like DJ Moore

Tank 4 Trevor was the real path we missed out on. They could have probably RETAINED Cam Newton and been one of the worst teams in the NFL in 2020, satisfying the fanbase and setting us up for the future. 
 

7 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

I didn't want to retain Wilks personally but that is a completely fair argument to make.

I understood why they went with Reich to develop a QB but I’ll be honest Wilks surprised the hell out of me with how well the team played late in the season. The Bucs loss is where he lost me. But we also can’t diminish what he did especially when we compare it to this seasons supposedly “all star” coaching staff.