Bosa deal done. Burns, are you next?

[csx]

1 hour ago, SmittysLawnGuy said:

You're supposed to get a break when being on a rookie QB salary, not give all of the rest of that to one guy who has deficiencies.

It allows you to pay other players.  Exactly what we will do

5 or 6 million more over 4 years won't affect anything 

Edited September 7, 2023 by csx

[Cdparr7]

4 minutes ago, PappyMay said:

Everyone saying we dont need to pay him what's the alternative at this point? The Rams trade is gone. Try to trade him for a first?

Biggest younger OLB names this year are Josh Allen, Rashan Gary, and Montez Sweat. I'm sure the first 2 will be paid over 20 a year.

You could probably trade him for a first and next years 2nd to replace some of the picks lost to the Bears. You could probably squeeze an average starter out of the deal too.

[CRA]

30 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Let it go bro.

 

Burns was worth 40-60 guaranteed 5 years ago.

 

This is 2023 these contracts are only going to get bigger. Just accept the new market. It's not going to kill us to give Burns 100mil guaranteed.

I again, I am pointing to all the recent contracts.   They are what they are.   You ignoring them doesn't mean they don't exist.   There are different tiers. 

Chubb, Von Miller, Reddick.  Those aren't old deals.   Bosa reset the top of a tier that already existed.  That Khalil Mack, his brother were already part of and were setting in recent history.  The 100+ club.  Brian Burns isn't in that tier.  Just a reality.   He is in the tier below.  He should reset the top of that tier. 

[panthers55]

10 hours ago, AU-panther said:

but then the following year more cap hits your books and then you have less to spend in that year.  Saints had several years where they had huge amounts of dead money counting towards their cap. 

I agree most teams, most years, have some slack in their overall cap.  We can free up enough money for Burns, that isn't the question, but there are limits.  This idea that the cap is some myth is just wrong.  Teams just can't pay everyone, you have to decided the best use of your money.

Then you restructure a few guys and get under the cap again like New Orleans did this year to sign Carr.

Again the cap is just a number that teams get around a dozen ways. The idea that you can't manipulate it to get who you want is the myth.  So yeah it isn't the big impediment that you and others here think it is.

[panthers55]

2 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

This is so wrong I am not even sure where to begin

Thanks for the validation. If you think it is wrong I must be on the right track.

[UNCrules2187]

I don't think Burns is going to get $100m+ guaranteed at signing but I'm pretty sure he's going to get meaningfully more than Miller, Chubb, and Crosby at signing. Probably in the $65-75m+ range IMO.

[CamWhoaaCam]

19 minutes ago, CRA said:

I again, I am pointing to all the recent contracts.   They are what they are.   You ignoring them doesn't mean they don't exist.   There are different tiers. 

Chubb, Von Miller, Reddick.  Those aren't old deals.   Bosa reset the top of a tier that already existed.  That Khalil Mack, his brother were already part of and were setting in recent history.  The 100+ club.  Brian Burns isn't in that tier.  Just a reality.   He is in the tier below.  He should reset the top of that tier. 

I understand he's not in that tier. It still doesn't matter the market is set with Bosa. What those other guys got a few years ago means nothing.

[panthers55]

One thought. Maybe we should wait to see what the actual contract says before whining about how much he is getting.  If it is Bosa money then bitch, otherwise it is rather premature.

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

I understand he's not in that tier. It still doesn't matter the market is set with Bosa. What those other guys got a few years ago means nothing.

Bosa reset the top of his tier.  The one Burns isn't in.  And we have seen guys recently in Burns tier do their contracts while the Bosa tier has kept getting reset.  So again, Burns should be at the top of the tier below.  Which means, you don't need to keep talking about Bosa.   You need to talk about Burns resetting the tier Chubb and company are in.  Which is still stupid money. 

Fitt should be fired today if he does Bosa guaranteed money IMO.  And guaranteed money is all we should be talking about. 

[csx]

It would benefit a lot of you to read more than the Huddle.

Contracts from previous year(s) mean nothing. It's about the market at this moment. Try to buy a house or car or gas for the price it was in the past. Good luck.

 

Edited September 7, 2023 by csx

[CamWhoaaCam]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

Bosa reset the top of his tier.  The one Burns isn't in.  And we have seen guys recently in Burns tier do their contracts while the Bosa tier has kept getting reset.  So again, Burns should be at the top of the tier below.  Which means, you don't need to keep talking about Bosa.   You need to talk about Burns resetting the tier Chubb and company are in. 

So what exactly are you expecting Burns contract to look like?

 

Im saying based off the Bosa deal he will get 28-30mil per year with 90mil guaranteed.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

So what exactly are you expecting Burns contract to look like?

 

Im saying based off the Bosa deal he will get 28-30mil per year with 90mil guaranteed.

too much talk on the per yer stuff.   That's not my issue. 

Burns leans too one dimensional IMO for even 90 mill.   That's why he is in the tier below to begin with. I personally think he should top out at around 75ish guaranteed range.  Which is stupid money and the highest of the tier below by a decent margin.    

 

 

[csx]

Whine about paying him or white about not having him. Perfect scenario for whiners.

[carpanfan96]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

There is a 40-60 million guaranteed tier.....and there is a 100 million tier.  Burns is in the 40-60 million tier.  You can even let him reset the top of it like Bosa just did with his tier. 

But Burns isn't worth 100+ guaranteed.   He isn't the complete and dominant player like those that belong there. 

and folks really need to talk about guranteed and not average per year.  Guaranteed is what counts, the rest if window dressing. 

He's not gonna get 100m guaranteed. More like somewhere between 80-90m, maybe a little less. 

 

The deal I put out last night was

5 years 143m with 90m guaranteed 

Edited September 7, 2023 by carpanfan96