Bosa deal done. Burns, are you next?

[rayzor]

That will end up being 10-20mil that we can't spend on others to make the team better.

Hope you like mediocrity, because that's the type of team you force by taking up so much of the cap.

It's bad enough that QBs do that, but considering it's the most important position on the team and the figurehead of the franchise and so much is piled on their shoulders, but giving that much more of a limited cap to another player just cripples the team.

[CRA]

32 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You all act like it is your money. It isn't. And whatever we pay him will fit into the salary cap. Next year his cap hit will be low on a first year contract rising each year along with the salary cap. Samir has this and has been expecting all of it. Expect Burns to be signed in the next day or two.

It’s our team.  And how they manage the cap and contracts impacts the quality of the team we root for.  

and this board has spent decades complaining about the bad contracts and management…. and how that impacts our ability to build quality rosters to compete.

 

[Proudiddy]

1 hour ago, ChuckWag78 said:

You guys act like it is your money. Pay him and be done with this. 

That's what I'm saying...  and again, in a year this poo won't even matter.  The next top pass rusher is gonna blow this deal out of the water in a year, and then a new guy will blow that one out a year after that.

And if Tepper could pay Matt Rhule 60M or whatever tf he gave his fat, sleazy, worthless ass to suck the life out of our franchise for 3 years, he can pay Burns what he deserves.

[Toomers]

42 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

You all act like it is your money. It isn't. And whatever we pay him will fit into the salary cap. Next year his cap hit will be low on a first year contract rising each year along with the salary cap. Samir has this and has been expecting all of it. Expect Burns to be signed in the next day or two.

   Sure. Samir has been a cap “ninja” since arriving. 

[beo]

38 minutes ago, BlackPanther22 said:

Yeesh, reading through some of the stuff here, I see why I’ve tried to avoid being on here during this whole contract news cycle. A lot of unrealistic views on contracts and what not. No matter what we pay Burns now whether it’s $25 or $28M, the cap increases every year so the value of the contract looks a lot better over time. 
 

Whatever they pay him won’t “cripple” the team because he’s not getting Bosa money. And he’ll get paid based on the market + production, not just production. 

What will cripple the team is our terrible cap management otherwise. One of the perks that comes with running a football team correctly is the ability to absorb contracts like this where you're backed into a corner and probably staring down the barrel of an overpay shotgun due to circumstance and the news of the Rams trade getting out. But no, we have to waste money on prove it deals that could've instead been carried over, pay Chosen Robbie a ridiculous amount of money, have obscene amounts of dead cap basically every season because of all the horrible contracts we sign and then move on from (3 of our 6 highest paid players arent even on the damn team) and in general fuging ruin our cap so that when valuable core pieces like Burns' deal come up we're backed up against the wall and stuck having to try and nickel and dime every last dollar. The situation from a roster standpoint is strikingly similar to Moton's a few years ago IMO. We can't just trade or release the only good player on the unit; if Burns isn't on the field our DL gets much worse and it showed during pre-season. 

Wholeheartedly agree that it's silly that people are clutching pearls over a few mil per year annually that won't even be noticeable in a few seasons with Burns but take no issue with all the other money we've burned in a bonfire but I just don't know how we're going to be able to afford Chinn and Brown and all of our other core pieces as well after this.

[*FreeFua*]

9 minutes ago, CRA said:

It’s our team.  And how they manage the cap and contracts impacts the quality of the team we root for.  

and this board has spent decades complaining about the bad contracts and management…. and how that impacts our ability to build quality rosters to compete.

 

This answer should be pinned somewhere 

[Proudiddy]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

It’s our team.  And how they manage the cap and contracts impacts the quality of the team we root for.  

and this board has spent decades complaining about the bad contracts and management…. and how that impacts our ability to build quality rosters to compete.

 

We're usually on the same page, CRA, and while you make some valid points, as we've seen time and again, the cap is easily manipulated...  and yet, our franchise has acted as though every next deal is gonna break us, AND STILL, we've managed to fug up a number of contract extensions for premier players throughout our history. 

This deal should not have been that hard to get done.

 

[Toomers]

4 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

That's what I'm saying...  and again, in a year this poo won't even matter.  The next top pass rusher is gonna blow this deal out of the water in a year, and then a new guy will blow that one out a year after that.

And if Tepper could pay Matt Rhule 60M or whatever tf he gave his fat, sleazy, worthless ass to suck the life out of our franchise for 3 years, he can pay Burns what he deserves.

How can so many people not get it. This isn’t a choice about if people want Burns to have Teppers money. I think everyone on here would rather Burns took 50M/yr from Teppers pockets. But this isn’t MLB. Every team gets the same amount. Every year. So no matter how it’s set up, if you over pay, it creates a potential weakness somewhere else. 
 

    Which players should give up their share to pay Burns. Because if you pay a guy 30M, and he’s worth 22M, some part of the roster gets less attention. Imagine not being able to sign Corbett, so you have to stick with Jordan. 

[WhoKnows]

24 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Fan spent money is a drop in the bucket for the teams/owners compared to what they make thru the TV deals and what these owners make from their other businesses that gave them enough money to buy these franchises.

Don't try to say when you buy that tube of toothpaste, that you're paying money towards your favorite NFL team because Crest will advertise during an NFL game.

Also, whether fans spend a million dollars a year each on stuff or no money, the teams are still going to spend the same amount of money on their roster.  They're not signing better players because a team sold more jerseys or beer during games.

Do you not understand business? It is 100% true that the tube of Crest we buy is paying money to the NFL team because Crest advertises during a game. That’s literally how a capitalistic market works. WTF would P&G advertise on an NFL game if they weren’t getting a sales impact due to that advertising? WTF would CBS pay billions to show NFL games if they weren’t making a profit due to advertising dollars.

Also, at you saying that it wouldn’t matter to owners of fans spent a million dollars or no dollars. If every NFL fan switched to be a soccer fan, the NFL would fold and there would be no revenue sharing because no one would pay for the game rights since no one would buy advertising time.

I’m sorry but I can’t believe people don’t get that NFL fans contribute to revenue sharing by watching NFL games and buying things from companies who advertise. P&G wouldn’t exist if no one bought Tide or Crest or Cascade and people do because of advertising which directly pays the networks who pay the NFL.

[frankw]

17 minutes ago, CRA said:

It’s our team.  And how they manage the cap and contracts impacts the quality of the team we root for.  

and this board has spent decades complaining about the bad contracts and management…. and how that impacts our ability to build quality rosters to compete.

 

People in this fanbase have spent years complaining about the Panthers investing steep contracts in positions like running back and linebacker. Investing in a talented 25 year old pass rusher who has the next several years to develop into a dominant force on this defense is not the same as that.

Basically I'm getting the sense from some of ya'll that you're saying Burns is coasting and he's only going to get lazy with the new contract. You guys should just say that and own it.

[Panthercougar68]

Burns deal will chump change to Micah Parson’s deal.

[carpanfan96]

8 minutes ago, Toomers said:

How can so many people not get it. This isn’t a choice about if people want Burns to have Teppers money. I think everyone on here would rather Burns took 50M/yr from Teppers pockets. But this isn’t MLB. Every team gets the same amount. Every year. So no matter how it’s set up, if you over pay, it creates a potential weakness somewhere else. 
 

    Which players should give up their share to pay Burns. Because if you pay a guy 30M, and he’s worth 22M, some part of the roster gets less attention. Imagine not being able to sign Corbett, so you have to stick with Jordan. 

An NFL agent's words and not mine. "If bosa is worth 30m than Burns should get 25-27m". Bosa was worth 34m, that means Burns is worth 29-31m. 

 

The above is how the NFL actually works. 

Edited September 6, 2023 by carpanfan96

[Bostonheelfish]

Yo DJ Johnson can set Burn’s edge better, and if he started would probably get 6-8 sacks in his Rookie year. Our franchise, other than during Gettleman, has screwed itself by overpaying drafted players to a degree that materially alters the roster for years to come. Players like Burns don’t grow on trees but neither does money.

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

We're usually on the same page, CRA, and while you make some valid points, as we've seen time and again, the cap is easily manipulated...  and yet, our franchise has acted as though every next deal is gonna break us, AND STILL, we've managed to fug up a number of contract extensions for premier players throughout our history. 

This deal should not have been that hard to get done.

 

Well, I do think at times the cap talk is exaggerated in terms of what you can and can’t do. 

But 120+ million guaranteed?  For largely a pass rusher?   That’s not in the ballpark of what top tier pass rushers have been getting in the last year.  Bosa isn’t just an elite pass rusher.  He is elite everything.  And that’s probably too much of everything too.  Which isn’t Burns.  

I got no problem paying Burns . I have an issue with Bosa guaranteed money.