Burns is back in pads at practice

[Billy Love]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

plus everette brown wasnt a top 10 pick

[Wundrbread33]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

well, we have a rookie QB we need to billed around.  Just bandaids on the roster.  You could spend a first round pick on a freak skill player…..a first round pick on a freak pass rusher.  Both on rookie deals.

or you use those pick and alter the BRoyce Young trade.  DJ Moore is still a Panthers and you still got ammo for the draft. 

I’d much rather have a top 5-10 pass rusher than Moore though. 
 

So trade Burns, keep Moore, draft a pass rusher.

or

Trade Moore, keep Burns, draft a Mingo.

 

Obviously there’s more to it, but an interesting debate depending on which positions hold the most value to you. 

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

plus everette brown wasnt a top 10 pick

Not even a first round pick 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Wundrbread33 said:

I’d much rather have a top 5-10 pass rusher than Moore though. 
 

So trade Burns, keep Moore, draft a pass rusher.

or

Trade Moore, keep Burns, draft a Mingo.

 

Obviously there’s more to it, but an interesting debate depending on which positions hold the most value to you. 

Well, given we drafted Bryce Young and have to develop him.  Which is what the next 1-3 years will really be about.   I’d prefer Moore.  My answer probably would depend where my team was. 

We hit a legit true rebuild window.  Burns was essentially the one move running counter to it. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, CRA said:

Not even a first round pick 

Rams won 5 games last year, how has their roster improved since?  We may have truly passed up on a top 3 pick in 2023 and who the hell knows in 2024

 

Just fuging stupid and short sighted

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Rams won 5 games last year, how has their roster improved since?  We may have truly passed up on a top 3 pick in 2023 and who the hell knows in 2024

 

Just fuging stupid and short sighted

Yea, that hurts because there is a chance we could have ended up either pairing Bryce with say a Marvin Harrison Jr or flipping the pick to a QB needy team for a haul.

However, I will say that I think if they had Burns but not their first round picks, their offseason would have been very different and they'd have tried to make sure this year's team could make a real run at the SB again.  Hell, just putting Burns next to Donald could have made their defense elite.  Good luck trying to give your QB time to pass the ball with the two of them rushing the passer next to each other.

It's easy to say we might have given up a Top 5 pick when looking at the Rams this very moment, but if they've had Burns since middle of last season, things likely play out differently.

[KSpan]

12 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

 

When people make this argument they forget about the cap space.  You don’t have to replace Burns production with the draft picks. Maybe you use the $25m you save to replace his production and then you use the draft picks to hopefully improve two other  positions.  
Maybe you get a player for $10m that gives you 80% of Burns and then use the extra $15m to drastically improve a different position. 

Personnel moves don’t happen in a vacuum.  

Amen. It's about the potential to spread or even amplify/multiply the value of a single player. It's not the right move for every situation but it is a very reasonable one for a lot of situatiions. 

[mrcompletely11]

Just now, tukafan21 said:

Yea, that hurts because there is a chance we could have ended up either pairing Bryce with say a Marvin Harrison Jr or flipping the pick to a QB needy team for a haul.

However, I will say that I think if they had Burns but not their first round picks, their offseason would have been very different and they'd have tried to make sure this year's team could make a real run at the SB again.  Hell, just putting Burns next to Donald could have made their defense elite.  Good luck trying to give your QB time to pass the ball with the two of them rushing the passer next to each other.

It's easy to say we might have given up a Top 5 pick when looking at the Rams this very moment, but if they've had Burns since middle of last season, things likely play out differently.

They have no money and no picks, thats why half of their roster is rookies.  Donald  and Burns aint moving the needle off a top 10 pick.  Kupp is already hurt, donald is a year older and Stafford is a walking infirmary. 

 

They were desperate and fitt couldnt smell it

[pantherclaw]

1 hour ago, JawnyBlaze said:

Shocking. 

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

They have no money and no picks, thats why half of their roster is rookies.  Donald  and Burns aint moving the needle off a top 10 pick.  Kupp is already hurt, donald is a year older and Stafford is a walking infirmary. 

 

They were desperate and fitt couldnt smell it

I'm guessing if they had Burns and Donald, they find a way to keep Ramsey though as well.  

They also probably would have been able to get a few other vets to come there on cheaper deals to try and make a run at a ring.

And yes, Kupp being banged up hurts their prospects, but again, that's a recent thing, he'd have been perfectly healthy during the off season when they'd have still been trying to put together a contending roster.

They'd have gone the Saints route and found a way to keep kicking the can down the road to keep a good roster together for another season.

Edited September 6, 2023 by tukafan21

[t96]

1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Some said he wanted 30-34 mil.

 

These rumors are making my head spin.

 

28mil seems reasonable given his age. He is our pass rush to be honest. I just want us to get this deal done so we have no distractions during the season.

lol 28 is not really reasonable. it may be necessary because that's how things go with rising cap and such an in demand position (pass rusher). TJ Watt is the highest paid Edge in the league at 28mil/yr, next is J Bosa at 27per and Garrett at 25per. Those guys have nearly twice as many sacks in like 25% more games played and all 3 are much more complete players (i.e. not trash against the run). I like Burns don't get me wrong but 28 is not reasonable. But often times players like him do get unreasonable contracts and that's just the reality. I highly doubt he gets 28 though, 25-26 maybe.

[Wolfcop]

If Burns wants more than 25 M in guaranteed income, we missed a huge opportunity to trade him. That money does not match his production. You can't throw around 30 million for potential. 

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, t96 said:

lol 28 is not really reasonable. it may be necessary because that's how things go with rising cap and such an in demand position (pass rusher). TJ Watt is the highest paid Edge in the league at 28mil/yr, next is J Bosa at 27per and Garrett at 25per. Those guys have nearly twice as many sacks in like 25% more games played and all 3 are much more complete players (i.e. not trash against the run). I like Burns don't get me wrong but 28 is not reasonable. But often times players like him do get unreasonable contracts and that's just the reality. I highly doubt he gets 28 though, 25-26 maybe.

People really need to stop comparing a potential Burns deal to deals signed a year or two ago.

It's not hard to understand, every off season the next batch of elite players at a position pass by the previous high contracts.  It's the reason Mahomes is like the 10th highest paid QB after he was the Top guy the second he signed his deal a few years ago.

I guarantee there will be no less than 5-6 players in the next 2 years that will sign bigger deals than whatever we give Burns, plus the couple guys who would still have bigger deals than him right now.

If I were to tell you that in 2 years, we'd have Burns locked up for another 4 years while being paid in the 10-12th highest paid lineman/pass rusher in the league, is there anyone who wouldn't be thrilled about that?

Stop looking at the moment and look at the bigger picture.

[joemac]

1 hour ago, Ricky Prickles said:

What do you think Bosa ultimately settles at? Burns should be below him obviously but probably going to be very close

I bet Bosa ends up at 30 a year and Burns at 25 or 26.  And whatever it is, while it may seem high now, will end up looking like a bargain in a few years.