Big fan of Burns but...

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

A. In a perfect world, all players get paid whatever they want! (it's not a perfect world)

2. In a perfect Panthers world to some Huddlers, Burns get MAD BANK and we make the Playoffs! (probably not happening this season ... and that MAD BANK will cause issues in the near future)

D. In a logical Panthers world to some Huddlers, Burns gets paid fairly and we miss the Playoffs, but the future budget looks great for building Bryce and his team into a dynasty. (It's Bryce's team, not Burns')

 

Which one do you like?

so we are choosing between option #2 and option #D. 

I'd be curious to know what option A, B, C were.  As well as option 1. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

24 minutes ago, CRA said:

so we are choosing between option #2 and option #D. 

I'd be curious to know what option A, B, C were.  As well as option 1. 

Those would be 

Absinthe 

Boone's Farm

Crown Royal

And 151. 

[Carl Spackler]

4 hours ago, frankw said:

It's cute you think that's a gotcha post. Robbie was talented and could have been a great 2nd option but he got cocky and bought his own hype and thought he had arrived and stopped putting in the work. He become a cancer in the locker room and that's on him. I still don't recall droves of people saying he was better than Moore. Obviously he wasn't and only a few trolls or goobers would have believed otherwise. You probably should move on from DJ though you already did this with McCaffrey and it got really unhealthy. Don't make the same mistake again.

is that supposed to be some kind of gotcha reply? Thanks, I guess?

[csx]

I'm done trying to assign blame. However it gets done I don't care. I will be pissed at both sides 8f he doesn't play Sunday. Figure it out.

[raleigh-panther]

Fitterer wanted Burns and made that known when he turned down 2 firsts

he has had ample time to get an extension done

it is on him to get it done 

however Burns signed  a contract that runs through this year 

he needs to honor that contract 

..he can sit all year and have money taken  or find trade value for all  I care at this point 

The Panthers have a game to play on Sunday. If he is there he is there, if he isn’t, he isn’t and the NFL and the Panthers will go on

Edited September 5, 2023 by raleigh-panther

[Brooklyn 3.0]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

so we are choosing between option #2 and option #D. 

I'd be curious to know what option A, B, C were.  As well as option 1. 

Buzz McCallister is disappointed in you.

[CRA]

26 minutes ago, Brooklyn 3.0 said:

Buzz McCallister is disappointed in you.

Son of…

 

nice reference lol 

[Aussie Tank]

3 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

People don't think about this. If you ever played football you understand the risk you take by stepping on the field. These grown men with families they have to feed.

 

My respect level for Burns would grow even more if he steps on the field without a contract. Me personally there is no way I take that risk. It's just a smart business move to sit out. Panthers will cave sooner than later.

We all got families to feed with risks at our work place. The 15 odd mill he’s scheduled to make this year would feed a family for a while 

[tukafan21]

3 hours ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

People don't think about this. If you ever played football you understand the risk you take by stepping on the field. These grown men with families they have to feed.

 

My respect level for Burns would grow even more if he steps on the field without a contract. Me personally there is no way I take that risk. It's just a smart business move to sit out. Panthers will cave sooner than later.

Can't stand the "families to feed" argument when it comes to professional athletes and contract negotiations.  If you want to say you can't blame them for trying to get max money, that's fair, but not the need to feed their families.

Burns has already made almost $14 million in his career.

If you make $100k a year, you make a solid living and feeding your family isn't an issue (making much less than this that is also true, but this makes for easier math).

It would take someone making 100k a year to work for 140 years to make that much money.

No player who makes that kind of money should ever have to worry about feeding their family, and if they do, it's their own fault and thus not something that you should be saying in support of them looking for a better contract.  Burns has already made enough money that if he was smart with it, he could never work another day in his life and his kids (and maybe grandchildren) should be financially comfortable for life.

Yes, I know these guys all live a much nicer lifestyle than "normal people" but that is still their choice.  The players who make that stupid money, all they have to do is live 1 or 2 years as if they're a normal person making $75-100k a year and in that time alone they'll have saved enough money to have a fun rest of their life regardless of what other future contracts they get.

Edited September 5, 2023 by tukafan21

[tukafan21]

19 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Your first mistake is comparing a NFL star player salary to your average person salary. Different money and Burns is losing a lot more money than you would at a normal job.

 

Generational worth is what Burns is risking. 14 mil is not a lot of money when you consider his expenses. There is a reason star athletes live much different than you and I.

Yes, and it is their choice to live that way.

They could limit themselves to even as if they made 200k a year salary and live a very nice and comfortable life, and if smart with how you invest, that would probably end up being generational wealth as well.  

My point is just that using the "need to feed my family" argument when you're talking about someone who has already earned that kind of money is ridiculous.  A small fraction of what he's made right now would be enough to "feed his family"

I really don't feel bad for any of these superstar athletes who go broke, it's their own fault.  The guys making minimum's is different, but the guys who end up getting 10+ million a season and then are broke in short fashion is because they're just dumb with their money.

Again, say you don't blame them for asking for the most possible, that's totally fair, but just don't say "they need to feed their families" when we're talking about a guy who has made 14 million already and will make another 16 this year if he doesn't sit out.

Edited September 5, 2023 by tukafan21

[CRA]

37 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Your first mistake is comparing a NFL star player salary to your average person salary. Different money and Burns is losing a lot more money than you would at a normal job.

 

Generational worth is what Burns is risking. 14 mil is not a lot of money when you consider his expenses. There is a reason star athletes live much different than you and I.

He has already made 14 mill.  Panthers already offered him a deal he won’t signed that likely had between 40-50 million guaranteed in it.   Chubb’s had 53 mill. So I’m being conservative for the argument. 

that’s generational wealth already in the bag and done…..he isn’t fighting for it. 

 

[Ghostface Chilla]

Hearing from one of my buddies that the Raiders are trying to trade for Burns right now. Fitt needs to get a favorable contract together for him, like right now! Just read that Garoppolo restructured his free up some money for the team. Hope this does not come true. 

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Have you ever played football in your life?

 

So when these guys are retired and have CTE in their 50's are you going to remember them taking a pay cut so it could help your team cap?

 

Look at the bigger picture dude. I don't understand why people are so against players making the most money they can. 

Because we are Panther fans.  Not Burns’ family. And ultimately want the team to do smart things vs just enrich people with the most possible money they can get from Carolina. 

[tukafan21]

10 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Have you ever played football in your life?

 

So when these guys are retired and have CTE in their 50's are you going to remember them taking a pay cut so it could help your team cap?

 

Look at the bigger picture dude. I don't understand why people are so against players making the most money they can. 

Are you even reading my posts or are you just seeing that it's me and getting angry so posting something completely nonsensical in regards to what you were quoting?

Nowhere once did I mention anything about the player taking a pay cut to help the team cap.

and you said "I don't understand why people are so against players making the most money they can" but in what you quoted from me, I literally said, "Again, say you don't blame them for asking for the most possible, that's totally fair"

Because, and I say this yet AGAIN... All I'm saying is that using the "need to feed their families" argument in defending them is nonsense, that's it.  They have made and would make on what we're offering far more than they need to feed their families.

I'm not saying he shouldn't be asking for the most possible, and in fact in these threads, I've consistently argued for the team to just pay him more than they want to and get it done with.  Because what he's fighting for is what you're talking about, generational wealth, not the ability to feed his family, which you initially said.

But keep quoting my posts and responding with something completely irrelevant to what I said, because you like to argue with me for some reason.

 

Edited September 6, 2023 by tukafan21