REPORT: Panthers and Brian Burns not at all close to extension

[mrcompletely11]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

^^^^ lol.... everyone calls this guy out, but according to him, it's everyone else who is crazy and stalks him.  I'm sure he's right and the dozens of people who have called him out over the last few months are all the crazy ones.

It's okay bud, you just don't understand how the real life NFL works, you're too stuck in how you can run a team in Madden and manipulate the system to get everyone and anyone you want.

Cue the stalking claims (even though he's the latest post on the most active thread on the forum) in 3, 2, 1..............

he is a bundle of contradictions and gets mad and cries to the mods when I bring up his old posts showing he is just slinging crap against the wall

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, mrcompletely11 said:

he is a bundle of contradictions and gets mad and cries to the mods when I bring up his old posts showing he is just slinging crap against the wall

I did like the "and showing the public" part of that post, how dare you not only prove me wrong, but show it to everyone, not cool man, not cool LOL

[Proudiddy]

37 minutes ago, Leaky_Faucet said:

No deal has been made. 

There is a tentative agreement on the yearly salary as I said last night but still too far apart on guaranteed amount and signing bonus.

Yeah, just seems we're making it way harder than it needs to be.  He wants to be here.  We want him here.  The salary is agreed upon.  Team needs to move closer to his ask on the gtd and bonus.  Simple.

[therealmjl]

7 minutes ago, Proudiddy said:

Yeah, just seems we're making it way harder than it needs to be.  He wants to be here.  We want him here.  The salary is agreed upon.  Team needs to move closer to his ask on the gtd and bonus.  Simple.

Truly bizarre this team is picking this hill to die on.

[Swirly]

I'd make it incentive based. Extra million for each sack over 12 sacks. 

[tukafan21]

9 minutes ago, Swirly said:

I'd make it incentive based. Extra million for each sack over 12 sacks. 

No, just a hard no

There is nothing wrong with including incentives, but that one would hamstring our cap situation.  If he went out there and dropped a 20 sack season, which isn't out of the question if he plays 17 games and has a great year, that's an extra $8 million he'd earn.

The only way to make that work is to ensure we're well under the cap during the season and play the year with probably a good $10-12 million in free space to ensure we don't have issues with any of his incentives.

If he then only gets the 12 sacks, that's $8-10 million we didn't spend that season, or basically an above average starter at another position.

[TheSpecialJuan]

https://x.com/rapsheet/status/1699509016798347304?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

[ChuckWag78]

2 minutes ago, TheSpecialJuan said:

https://x.com/rapsheet/status/1699509016798347304?s=46&t=xeIgh_-Vr2aKxBkBJdfnKA

34M per year. Now let's get Burns done!

[Leaky_Faucet]

1 hour ago, BlackPanther22 said:

Not trying to come across as rude or anything but.....are we sure that we can trust your info?

That is up to you. In the particular situation you are referencing, the information given to me was that the Panthers were interested in Carr which was shortly followed by a scheduled visit with said player and prior to the trade with the Chicago Bears. (Which I personally believe was entirely a David Tepper move and nobody else- no evidence just opinion). 

I will be clear with folks that I do not work in the building, and my information is not always firsthand so there will be discrepancies. If FOs and GMs can fake other GMs and FO's out, they surely can me as well and I apologize for any inaccuracies I may have posted previously. 

On the Burns situation my information has been pretty clear on the following. A) originally far apart on annual salary which is tentatively agreed upon now. B) Guaranteed amount is the main roadblock, signing bonus isn't there but that can be worked out in different ways. For those unfamiliar with contract negotiations, there are multiple dials that get turned to create a suitable deal for both parties. Length, Annual Salary, GTD amount, and bonuses are typically those dials. So perhaps, GTD money went down because annual salary went up, I don't really know. I am just passing what I have been told. 

A poster last night said that the Raiders are moving money around in a bid for him. I still have not heard anything on this. I have been told by a different individual that teams have called but that is it. I imagine this is information that will stay pretty close to the FO until if/when it happens. I will say that from my PERSONAL point of view if Burns misses a game(s) his probably of being traded increases significantly. I do not the impression from this staff that distractions are going to be entertained very long. 

 

[Double Trouble]

We turned down two firsts and a second to pay Brian Burns 28-30m a year lol fantastic

[carpanfan96]

34 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

No, just a hard no

There is nothing wrong with including incentives, but that one would hamstring our cap situation.  If he went out there and dropped a 20 sack season, which isn't out of the question if he plays 17 games and has a great year, that's an extra $8 million he'd earn.

The only way to make that work is to ensure we're well under the cap during the season and play the year with probably a good $10-12 million in free space to ensure we don't have issues with any of his incentives.

If he then only gets the 12 sacks, that's $8-10 million we didn't spend that season, or basically an above average starter at another position.

They would be considered ultbe and if he hit them, it would be added to the next seasons cap. 

[tukafan21]

3 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

They would be considered ultbe and if he hit them, it would be added to the next seasons cap. 

ehhhhh, you sure about that?

I'm not saying I'm 100% sure myself, but I was pretty sure that I read once that incentives still need to be worked into that season's cap number and you have to make sure you have enough room in the cap to satisfy any potential incentives.

Which is also why incentives are usually a set number based on hitting a mark, easier to make sure you have the cap room available, as opposed to just "X amount of money for every Y stat over Z number"

So it's not a big problem for teams to keep 5-6 million a year in extra cap room for possible incentives and then if they don't hit, that extra cap gets rolled over into the next season anyways.

Edited September 6, 2023 by tukafan21

[carpanfan96]

1 minute ago, tukafan21 said:

ehhhhh, you sure about that?

I'm not saying I'm 100% sure myself, but I was pretty sure that I read once that incentives still need to be worked into that season's cap number and you have to make sure you have enough room in the cap to satisfy any potential incentives.

Which is also why incentives are usually a set number based on hitting a mark, easier to make sure you have the cap room available, as opposed to just "X amount of money for every Y stat over Z number"

Anything thats considered unlikely to be earned would get added as a bonus to the next year's salary. 

It's the incentives that are considered ltbe that need to be included in the cap for the current season. 

 

 

[carpanfan96]

Here's a website talking about it. 

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