REPORT: Panthers and Brian Burns not at all close to extension

[Panthers8969]

He’s on a 5th year so has to play if he wants to hit FA lol. Otherwise it’s 5th +tag + tag again possibly. Doubt he wants that. Unfortunately he’s delusional. Let’s call up niners and see if they want to do a bosa burns straight up trade. Brian seems to think he’s just as valuable, maybe niners agree 

[frankw]

29 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

That's not how it works.

 

Just because you draft 2 edge rushers doesn't mean they will be elite. It's a gamble on who you pick. Burns is already a sure thing.

 

It's crazy we don't even want our own home grown talent. 

Oh no for sure if we made the trade every pick would be an elite level NFL player out of the gate and require little to no time to develop. Also in the meantime while we are waiting on those first round picks none of the people in favor of the trade would ever complain about our lack of pass rush when we're losing games because every mediocre to average QB carves us up since he has enough time in the pocket to make himself lunch.

[PappyMay]

We have 55 Mil next year to spend. Cut Thomas and restructure Moton and the amount goes up. We can afford to pay him next year. The salary cap keeps going up and up so paying a star 23-25 mil a year wont seem as high in 2-3 years as the market continues to reset. We don't need to let that man leave. He's clearly a leader in the locker room and stays out of trouble off the field. The whole point of having a QB on a rookie deal is to build around him. Not let talent walk.  

[MHS831]

Personally, I have trouble rating my own team's players, but I give Burns a B+.  Not elite like Bosa or even Crosby--but good at what he does.  I think he should get good money, but do not break the bank for him to such a degree it cripples the team moving forward.

We had a similar situation with Moton, and he is slated to cost us $30m in 2024 and 2025.  Worth it?  To me, in today's NFL, how you manage the cap is how you win.  I think we are far from the days when Hurney was handing out huge contracts to RBs and re-signing personnel from a 4-12 team (like Charles Godfrey and a ridiculous deal--at the time--for Charles Johnson)--that is how this mess starts. 

If we tag him, we keep him for 2 years or so--that needs to be our play if he refuses good (just not elite) money.  Make it so that he loses money by playing out his deal if he refuses, but don't make it so he and Tepper have the same financial planner.

[Gerry Green]

50 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

This dude thinks he's an agent.lmao

 

seek help pocket watcher

 

We have a couple like that. Not only a Cap expert, but a top-notch talent evaluator as well. How they are not working in the NFL is baffling. They can coulda-woulda-shoulda with the best of em I tell ya what.

[jfra78]

56 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

This dude thinks he's an agent.lmao

 

seek help pocket watcher

Toomers is a cap nut, if he had it his way a team would be 200m below cap and devoid of any talent.  Sad thing is he isn't even a panthers fan.  Don't know why a Steelers fan would visit this site as much as he does

[Growl]

tired of hearing about all this “elite pass rushers help you win super bowls” garbage

 

i want a HEALTHY CAP and two picks for my mock draft so you IDIOTS can see how smart I am and maybe I’ll get hired or something by a blog because I’m a scouting SAVANT idk 

[ForJimmy]

5 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Toomers is a cap nut, if he had it his way a team would be 200m below cap and devoid of any talent.  Sad thing is he isn't even a panthers fan.  Don't know why a Steelers fan would visit this site as much as he does

Say what you will, but he knows his poo. I’ve gotten in a few pissing matches with him and came up on the short end each time. 

[TheSpecialJuan]

1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

FACTS!

LIES!

[Gerry Green]

39 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Meanwhile @mrcompletely11 is busy spamming poo emoji's on my posts.

 

Yet he calls me a "kid" every chance he gets.smh

 

 

You have 3 choices. 1. Think of him as comic relief and don't let him get to you. Every time you respond to him the terrorists win. 2. Ignore him completely. 3 Report him and see what happens. Me? I don't feed trolls. So, I ignore him completely. Well, except for occasionally throwing some poo his way. That really fires him up. lol

[Sgt Schultz]

I thought we should have taken the Rams offer for Burns last year.  At the time, we had just traded CMC and the indications were that we were tearing things down and starting over.  If that is the goal, then anybody making big bucks or about to make big bucks gets moved for draft capital or younger players.  Especially when you don’t have a QB to build around.

But, with the decision to not take that offer, we stopped short of a complete tear down.  We basically tore down the skill positions on offense, which was complete when we included Moore in the deal with Chicago.

Once we decided to keep Burns, the discussion of big money was an absolute certainty.  How big is what is in front of the jury.  But you don’t turn down a couple of firsts, quite likely high firsts, and what was destined to be a high second for a guy and then let him walk in FA a year and a half later (unless he really sucks in that year and a half).  Especially when you then make a defensive scheme switch that certainly looks like it plays to his strengths.

Personally, I want to see him in an NFL 3-4 defense (or defense based on that) before I get out the checkbook.  In other words, he needs to “prove it” this year.  It being that he can play the "whole" position.  But given the deal we walked away from, we are committed to getting out the checkbook if he proves it.

Somebody could throw something stupid at him, but otherwise, that decision was made last October.

[pantherclaw]

5 hours ago, TheMaulClaw said:

Personally I think Burns needs to have a prove it year.

I don't know what you're waiting to see, he has proven one of the best in the league since he's been in it. 

 

[pantherclaw]

We have the best pass rusher we've had since Peppers. Hard truth. 

He is slight, so his run defense will never be as good as a bigger pass rusher. 

His market value has NOTHING to do with his run defense. 

Elite pass rushers get paid. There is no way we could even replace his production.  

So all this, he's not worth it, needs to end, because the simple truth is the NFL values him far more than anyone else ever will. 

It is absolutely in our best interest to sign him now. His value will be even higher in 6 months.

 

[PootieNunu]

5 hours ago, Panthers8969 said:

He’s on a 5th year so has to play if he wants to hit FA lol. Otherwise it’s 5th +tag + tag again possibly. Doubt he wants that. Unfortunately he’s delusional. Let’s call up niners and see if they want to do a bosa burns straight up trade. Brian seems to think he’s just as valuable, maybe niners agree 

We would have to do Burns + a 1st at least to get Bosa, even then it probably doesnt get done, they would probably want more. 

Bosa is a DMVP, Burns is just a pass rusher.