College Football 2023

[LinvilleGorge]

Honestly, Clemson should've dropped completely out of the rankings. Preseason rankings are way too sticky IMO. They're basically a complete shot in the dark. If you think Duke is #24 then you can't rationalize having Clemson in your top 25.

[CRA]

4 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

That Duke QB looks legit. I was wondering why some of my buddies kept hyping him all off season.

 

Maye has some competition at QB in the ACC this year. That Florida State kid looks legit as well.

Duke QB went 17/33 for less than >200 yards. 

I mean, he can run.  He ain’t in the convo with those other QBs off that. 

[CRA]

12 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Rankings are a joke.

 

Clemson being ranked #9 was a joke.

You and a Paul Finnebaum going to stroke out if Dabo finds a way to 10-3 in the end.   Clemson still got the best coach and roster in the conference. 

[ladypanther]

AP poll:

 

 

https://www.si.com/fannation/college/cfb-hq/ncaa-football-rankings/college-football-rankings-ap-top-25-poll-week-2-games

 

 

Edited September 5, 2023 by ladypanther

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

You must not know me.

I don't believe in great coaches.

Elite players is what make coaches. Dabo is simply not getting the recruits he's use to getting. Clemson winning 10 games will be overachieving with that roster.

Elite players do make coaches 

but it’s still the best roster in the ACC with the best coach.   I feel no different about things than the last couple seasons. 

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

Duke QB went 17/33 for less than >200 yards. 

I mean, he can run.  He ain’t in the convo with those other QBs off that. 

This. He's a good college QB. He's not an NFL prospect unless he makes major leaps as a passer. He's a Darian Durant or Marquise Williams or Taj Boyd or Brandon Randall. All good college QBs.

[LinvilleGorge]

1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

You must not know me.

 

I don't believe in great coaches.

 

Elite players is what make coaches. Dabo is simply not getting the recruits he's use to getting. Clemson winning 10 games will be overachieving with that roster.

Clemson's last five recruiting class rankings: 7, 10, 5, 3, 10.

Clemson is recruiting just fine.

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Those class rankings don't mean anything. If anything is shows you Dabo is underachieving as a coach if he's still getting the top ranked classes and not producing.

 

You can't get blown out by a nerd basketball school. The talent level is just different. Dabo needs to step up if he's so great.

Clemson is on a historic run right now.  Something only 2 others programs have ever done.  12 straight double digit win seasons with a top 25 finish.  With 2 nattys mixed in.

ACC champs in 7 of the last 8 seasons (including last season)

Not producing? 

Dabo is getting it done.   What we are witnessing is essentially a comical exaggerated response to an opening week flop on the road.  It’s sports.  It happens. 

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

Those class rankings don't mean anything. If anything is shows you Dabo is underachieving as a coach if he's still getting the top ranked classes and not producing.

 

You can't get blown out by a nerd basketball school. The talent level is just different. Dabo needs to step up if he's so great.

I mean, if we're strictly taking recruiting then yeah they mean a lot. Look at the teams that consistently get the highest rated recruiting classes. They're consistently among the elite teams. They're elite because they're gobbling up the elite talent.

[LinvilleGorge]

7 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

South Carolina is probably behind Florida when it comes to elite recruits. It helps that all the talent are coming from his state mostly.

Yeah, having local talent is a nice perk but SC probably isn't all that high. Texas is definitely the 1b to Florida. Then you have California, Georgia, Virginia, honestly NC is probably above SC. SC is honestly probably borderline top 10.

[CRA]

10 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

The ACC as a whole sucks. That's how Clemson gets overrated. Winning a bad conference is not something that impresses me. 

 

Put Clemson in the SEC I doubt he has the same success.

 

I know it sounds like im a Clemson hater, but im really not. Im just not impressed with the ACC as a whole. If we talking basketball then the ACC is top tier. 

I mean, I don’t know what you are really arguing at this point.

Dabo doesn’t recruit but has a top 10 class every year.  He is struggling with #1 overall QB prospects.   He most definitely is recruiting elite talent.

Then he isn’t getting it done.  He coaches in the ACC.  That just is what it is. 7 of the last 8 ACC titles is getting it done.  A historic stretch is getting it done. 

and he has 2 nattys vs Bama.  King Kong.  Frankly, could have easily had a 3rd too with that first Watson matchup. 

I don’t know what your bar is. But it seems a tad unreasonable. But I get hating on Dabo/Clemson.  Runs like they have been on are annoying in general and I fully understand why most of been wishing for the fall of it 

[LinvilleGorge]

21 minutes ago, CRA said:

I mean, I don’t know what you are really arguing at this point.

Dabo doesn’t recruit but has a top 10 class every year.  He is struggling with #1 overall QB prospects.   He most definitely is recruiting elite talent.

Then he isn’t getting it done.  He coaches in the ACC.  That just is what it is. 7 of the last 8 ACC titles is getting it done.  A historic stretch is getting it done. 

and he has 2 nattys vs Bama.  King Kong.  Frankly, could have easily had a 3rd too with that first Watson matchup. 

I don’t know what your bar is. But it seems a tad unreasonable. But I get hating on Dabo/Clemson.  Runs like they have been on are annoying in general and I fully understand why most of been wishing for the fall of it 

I mean, he's supposedly a UNC fan who spends all his time arguing that every other QB is better than Maye and Maye ain't poo if we don't go to the playoffs. He's an odd one.

[LinvilleGorge]

5 minutes ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

What superstars have came from NC in the last 10 years?

 

SC off the top of my head has produced Deandre Hopkins/Clowney/Stephon Gilmore/Deebo Samuel just to name a few.

There's more to it than just superstars. NC was 7th with 95 players on NFL rosters last year. SC was 15th with 56.

Calling Clowney a superstar is a pretty big reach. He hit a Michigan RB really hard and got drafted #1 overall. Those are his career highlights.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, CamWhoaaCam said:

So you want me to fit in with you other UNC homers?

 

Don't think I don't see the comments about your clique.lol

 

Im reasonable with Maye. He's great, but he's not on the same talent level as Caleb. Im not even sure if he's the 2nd best QB in the country at this point. The Pac is loaded with talented QB's.

 

Do I want Maye to win the Heisman? Yes.

 

Do I think Maye will win the Heisman? Probably not.

 

Im all for UNC but im not going to call Maye the best QB just because im a UNC fan. There is a reason Caleb is getting all the hype and Nat'l commercials right now. He's the real deal.

Yeah, I'm a total homer.

The homers say I'm nothing but a fairweather fan.

If your boy Caleb tries to hold the ball for four seconds in the NFL it's not gonna go well.