College Football 2023

[CRA]

32 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

And the moment he stopped recruiting talent look at him 

Cade was a 5 star and the #1 overall QB of his class. 

DJU was a 5 star and the #1 overall QB of his class. 

Clemson most definitely has problems.  This recruiting angle just doesn't fly.  Clemson's worst recruiting class in the last 4 years was a still a top 10 class.  No one in the ACC is close to their classes. 

He hasn't stopped recruiting talent.  Clemson wins that contest in the ACC in a landslide.  Has he lost the ability to evolve his offense going forward without a best in all of college football caliber QB? I think that is it.  Cade was doing the same predictable junk he had DJU doing.    QB play, bad or good, is just too big of a difference maker. 

 

 

[LinvilleGorge]

Some recruits just don't work out. UNC landed the #1 CB recruit in the country s couple of years ago in Tony Grimes. He just turned out to not be good. It happens. #1 prospects at their position in the NFL draft bust too.

It's what makes DJ at Oregon State interesting to me. If he plays well and Klubnik struggles it's really going to point the finger at Clemson as the root issue. When the #1 prospect at his position goes to the same school and they both bust that's probably not a coincidence.

[OceanPanther]

8 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

It just seems like something is happening at Clemson that they're losing confidence in their QB and in turn killing the confidence of their QB. The play calling tonight screamed they didn't trust Klubnik throwing the ball and he never looked comfortable out there to my eyes.

I mean, these are kids but they're not dumb. They've been playing and watching football their whole lives. They know when the play caller isn't showing confidence in them and that's gotta effect your head.

I agree.    D J Uiagalelei  and the current QB Cabe Klubnik.  They aren't  Watson, Lawrence , Tajh Boyd. Wide receivers haven't looked of NFL quality .  I think the there defense will come around, but that offense has a lot of work unless they wear Will Shipley out. ( 45 touches. ) 

[Panthera onca]

Dabo has some Matt Rhule in him for sure.

[OceanPanther]

51 minutes ago, weyco2000 said:

Great game by Duke, defended the pass pretty damn well (pass rush/secondary), out coached and all out hustle. Leonard made some plays, especially the 44 yard TD run… HOWEVER, let’s not get carried away putting him above or at the level of Maye or Howell. That’s just flat out trolling… lol!!

 

I do not  think R Leonard is as good as  D Mayes..   but he is ranked/ rated  as one of the top QB's in the country.  Just think if  Sam Hartman was still at Wake Forest..    It would be a possibility of 3 ACC QB's drafted in the first round .. 

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Dabo has some Matt Rhule in him for sure.

lol.  I mean, yall enjoy your moment.  Not trying to take that away from ACC and Gamecock fans.

But yeah, Dabo is a college great.   12 straight years of double digit wins w/ a top 25 finish.  Mixing in 2 nattys in the process.  Best run of any non-SEC school in college football history.  Matt Rhule is a wish.com Dabo. 

[4Corners]

I bet those Clemson fans who were sh*t talking the Gamecock fans on Saturday about being embarrassed on National TV to a basketball school sure feel dumb

[LinvilleGorge]

44 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Dabo has some Matt Rhule in him for sure.

He's an ideal college coach though. Great recruiter and motivator, but not the type of Xs and Os guy that the NFL is going to be clamoring after. Well, unless Tepper gets infatuated I guess 

[4Corners]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

He's an ideal college coach though. Great recruiter and motivator, but not the type of Xs and Os guy that the NFL is going to be clamoring after. Well, unless Tepper gets infatuated I guess 

As bad as klubnik looked last night, and he looked terrible, I think Carolina wins the ACC Champ game LY if Dabo doesn’t make the switch. 

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, 4Corners said:

As bad as klubnik looked last night, and he looked terrible, I think Carolina wins the ACC Champ game LY if Dabo doesn’t make the switch. 

Oh, 100%. There's no way they were gonna generate any offense with the way DJ was playing. He wasn't even throwing in the zip code of receivers. It's just really weird that Clemson young backup QBs can step in and play well in spot duty then just fall off a cliff as the starter. It's way too early to write Klubnik's Clemson obituary just yet but man, last night was not good.

[Panthera onca]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

He's an ideal college coach though. Great recruiter and motivator, but not the type of Xs and Os guy that the NFL is going to be clamoring after. Well, unless Tepper gets infatuated I guess 

Exactly, that wasn't really meant as a slight at Dabo, I am an ACC guy through and through. Dabo is a hype man and recruiter but needs coaching help to succeed. Losing Venables is hurting Clem big time. 

[CRA]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

Oh, 100%. There's no way they were gonna generate any offense with the way DJ was playing. He wasn't even throwing in the zip code of receivers. It's just really weird that Clemson young backup QBs can step in and play well in spot duty then just fall off a cliff as the starter. It's way too early to write Klubnik's Clemson obituary just yet but man, last night was not good.

yeah, I'm not writing him off yet.  I think you got to give Garrett Riley some time too.   Got to think they can look much better than they did. 

[CRA]

7 minutes ago, Panthera onca said:

Exactly, that wasn't really meant as a slight at Dabo, I am an ACC guy through and through. Dabo is a hype man and recruiter but needs coaching help to succeed. Losing Venables is hurting Clem big time. 

They could still have Venables.  That wouldn't address the primary problem in Clemson of late.   The ability to throw the ball past the line of scrimmage. 

Clemson D has actually been pretty sound.  When you factor in the load on their shoulders each week and what it takes to keep Clemson in a game.   No way a D can be really good w/ an offense as bad as the one Clemson has been putting out there.  

[weyco2000]

44 minutes ago, CRA said:

Clemson has absurd talent vs the rest of the ACC.   That's just a fact. 

Poor QB play is just as big of a game changer as great QB play.   That's the issue.  Not recruiting.  Not talent. 

and DJU and Cade were both the #1 QB recruits in the entire nation of their classes.  You can't recruit better than the #1 QB of a class.   He didn't stop recruiting talent. Dabo has them instantly looking like middle schoolers. 

and it certainly appears Dabo has just put his thumbprint on this O to a fault.  I can call the plays ahead of time.  It's been that way for years.  So you know a college defense can figure it out.    

Clemson went 11-3 last year with arguably THE worst QB play in all the power 5.  Was pretty much the same the year prior too.   Clemson can pull off those great bad years with no QB play.....because the talent in Clemson isn't comparable elsewhere in the ACC

 

You’re basing “talent” on how many stars a kid got in high school not how they develop or fit a system. Talent doesn’t slide 1 yard short of the sticks, fumble twice on goal to go, drop pass after pass or show absolutely no desire to overcome adversity.