Brian Burns out of practice, Frank Reich not saying if absence is contract-related

[csx]

Thanks for sharing your diary. 

[pantherj]

[mrcompletely11]

20 minutes ago, pantherj said:

It was my love letter to Burns in the TB gameday thread for loafing off.

55 pff grade

[tukafan21]

31 minutes ago, pantherj said:

It was my love letter to Burns in the TB gameday thread for loafing off.

Maybe he wasn’t trying hard because he/they didn’t actually want to win the game?

I realize so many on here we’re all about sneaking into the playoffs, but now that we’re where we are at, can people finally admit that rooting against your team at times can be unbelievably beneficial to the future of the franchise?

The Bucs snuck into the playoffs with a losing record, got beat, and ended up with the 19th pick in the draft and go into the season with Baker and Trask as their top 2 QB’s.

If we made the playoffs and had the 19th pick, there is a literal 0% chance we have Bryce and probably less than a 5% chance we could have even got high enough to get AR.  We’d have ended up drafting Levis or signing someone else like Carr or Jimmy G.

Would sneaking into the playoffs just to get blown out in the first round really have been worth screwing up our future?

I’ve always said REAL fans aren’t those who root for their team to win every game regardless of the implications, but those who can objectively step back and root for what is best for the franchise moving forward, this is a picture perfect example of that.

I wasn’t rooting for us to lose going into the season, but at the end, when it was clear the two options were a high draft pick or sneaking into the playoffs only to get blown out and set the franchise back another 2-3 years, it was an easy call at that point to want us to lose.

Edited September 1, 2023 by tukafan21

[TLGPanthersFan]

Brian Burns is gonna be the next Shaq. Overpayed and mediocre. 

[The Lobo]

1 hour ago, pantherj said:

Yeah no kidding.

Yo cyclops looking bad ass with the dark background 

[Gerry Green]

18 minutes ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Brian Burns is gonna be the next Shaq. Overpayed and mediocre. 

 

Yupperz, I've said it a billion times. Nobody disrespects Panther players more than Panther fans.

 

And how can you spell mediocre, but miss on overpaid which seems like a much easier word? 

[pantherj]

59 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Maybe he wasn’t trying hard because he/they didn’t actually want to win the game?

I realize so many on here we’re all about sneaking into the playoffs, but now that we’re where we are at, can people finally admit that rooting against your team at times can be unbelievably beneficial to the future of the franchise?

The Bucs snuck into the playoffs with a losing record, got beat, and ended up with the 19th pick in the draft and go into the season with Baker and Trask as their top 2 QB’s.

If we made the playoffs and had the 19th pick, there is a literal 0% chance we have Bryce and probably less than a 5% chance we could have even got high enough to get AR.  We’d have ended up drafting Levis or signing someone else like Carr or Jimmy G.

Would sneaking into the playoffs just to get blown out in the first round really have been worth screwing up our future?

I’ve always said REAL fans aren’t those who root for their team to win every game regardless of the implications, but those who can objectively step back and root for what is best for the franchise moving forward, this is a picture perfect example of that.

I wasn’t rooting for us to lose going into the season, but at the end, when it was clear the two options were a high draft pick or sneaking into the playoffs only to get blown out and set the franchise back another 2-3 years, it was an easy call at that point to want us to lose.

I don't think Burns wasn't trying hard to help set up our draft position, but anything is possible.

I wanted the Panthers to win the TB game and make the playoffs.

Fans rooting for or against the Panthers in the TB game doesn't have any effect on the outcome of the game of course.

Losing to TB was a benefit to the Panthers assuming Young pans out. The better QB he becomes, the better the benefit of losing the TB game of course. But the reverse is true as well, although it's more likely Young will pan out.

Your "true fans" opinion falls under the "no true Scotsman" fallacy, or fan gatekeeping without any authority.

I find it strange that you wanted us to lose the TB game, but that doesn't diminish your status as a fan in my eyes. If you care about the outcome of the game, then you're a fan in my opinion.

 

[Ricky Prickles]

4 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Brian Burns is gonna be the next Shaq. Overpayed and mediocre. 

What would you do here today if you were GM? Say no deal and no new contract and let him walk eventually or pay a premium in a new contract? Im guessing you wont say pay a premium due to you believing he will be mediocre so what would be your plan moving forward today?

[tukafan21]

5 hours ago, TLGPanthersFan said:

Brian Burns is gonna be the next Shaq. Overpayed and mediocre. 

Not sure how that's possible when Burns is already better than Shaq has ever been

[Mage]

Brian Burns is so underrated by some posters on this forum.  And you know, I get it.  He isn't as good as a Nick Bosa, but not many are.  However, Burns' productivity and efficiency as a pass rusher at his age is still very damn good.  And given his frame and play-style, I am confident that we haven't seen him at his best yet.  

My comp for him coming out of school was Jason Taylor.  Taylor got better and better as he built into his frame and won DPOY in his 10th year.  I'm not saying Burns is going to win DPOY, my point is that I would bet on him becoming one of the few pass rushers who every year you pencil them in for 10+ sacks.  Taylor didn't have his first consecutive 10+ sack season until he was 29 years old.

Like I said, I get it.  I'm guilty of not being patient with guys either.  But to want to trade Brian Burns or not pay him would be an incredibly short-sighted move.  Burns, barring injury, probably has at least 8 more years left of playing this game at a high level and we're on the cusp of a big jump if you look at the careers of a lot of pass rushers, who didn't start stringing multiple 10+ sack seasons until Years 4-6.  I don't get why people think it would be wise to move on from that kind of potential, especially at one of the most important positions.

Edited September 2, 2023 by Mage

[Jackie Lee]

 

[pantherj]

I don't know about others, but I don't want Burns leaving at this point. I wanted us to take the Rams deal, but the moment we rejected their final offer I was on board with keeping Burns. We're locked in now, and Burn's agent knows how highly Fitt values Burns because, if for no other reason, then because we rejected the Rams mega deal, and because of Fitt's statements to the media about Burns being our cornerstone player on defense. No need to use past stats alone to estimate his market value because we already know he's viewed as the key to our defense.

I would imagine Burns and his agent feel that they can write their own ticket so to speak. His agent is just waiting for the market price to be set, or for the Panthers to make their own bank busting deal ahead of time. Burns can put his feet up and relax and smoke a stogie at this point. His ship has finally come in. This isn't how I want the team to be run, where we lock in on a player who doesn't really dazzle me, and then pay him elite money while his agent has the edge in negotiations. As a fan who doesn't really care that much about the individual players, this doesn't make me happy. It gives me the same feeling I had when Marty Hurney signed Charles Johnson to a huge deal. The players are not the same of course, but I have the same bad feeling. Is Burns going to become this dominant pass rusher who changes the outcomes of some of our close games? The last game I watched him play he honestly looked worse than our backups, but of course you can't judge him by one game. I'm just saying I'm wary of the upcoming deal, but I do want to keep Burns at this point.

[pantherj]

9 minutes ago, Jackie Lee said: