Fitterer setting low expectations.

[Devil Doc]

Why don't we sign Breon Borders, to bolster up our CB's? 

[CRA]

54 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Nope. I'm not letting our supposed "savant" of a draft pick off the hook.  He's diagnosing plays like "15 year vet" and "leading offensive meetings"... he'd better deliver.

Young is still a rookie QB.  And the NFL is fast.....and his skill talent is average at best. 

Rookie QBs generally win with insane defense or paired with HOF caliber skill talent.  Only 1 exception I can really name and he was paired with the greatest head coach in modern history.  

 

[jasonluckydog]

Super Bowl or bust.

[Chief Keek]

Sounds like Fitterer is trying to keep his seat from getting too hot. Rhule's gone now so this year will be a good indicator.

[DeAngelo Beason]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

Young is still a rookie QB.  And the NFL is fast.....and his skill talent is average at best. 

Rookie QBs generally win with insane defense or paired with HOF caliber skill talent.  Only 1 exception I can really name and he was paired with the greatest head coach in modern history.  

 

This rookie QB is inheriting a team that was one game away from winning the division, and likely would have won the division if the brass had shitcanned the HC a week or two sooner.  I would also argue that the defense he's inheriting is insane from a talent and coaching perspective.  One of the more loaded defenses in the NFL. 

All I'm saying is everybody who has been gushing over Bryce Young had damn well better hope he delivers. This team is absolutely built and ready to go the playoffs right now.  We don't need to be building excuses in for him before his first start when everyone has been crowning him as the second coming of Peyton Manning from a mental perspective.  

[Sgt Schultz]

Can we give the narrative that we were one game away from making the playoffs and therefore this group should get us over that hump a rest?  Yes, it is a fact that we were one game away from winning a division in 2022, whose division winner was 8-9.  Two teams that missed out on the last wild card spot in the NFC had better records than the division winner did. 

The underlying assumption is that the entire NFCS will be just as bad in 2023 as it was in 2022, so all we have to do is roll an 8-9 and if it is the right 8-9, we are in.  Easy. 

Except it is unlikely that 8-9 will win the division again, because it is unlikely all three of our division rivals will suck as much as they did in 2022.  Even if one or two of them are slightly better, the fact that our 7-10 was only one game away will be completely irrelevant. 

In terms of relevancy to 2023, at 7-10, the thing we were one game away from was being 8-9. Can I assume that those waving the banner that we were one game away from the playoffs last year will be celebrating if we roll an 8-9, but somebody in this division manages to get above .500?

 

[CRA]

35 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

This rookie QB is inheriting a team that was one game away from winning the division, and likely would have won the division if the brass had shitcanned the HC a week or two sooner.  I would also argue that the defense he's inheriting is insane from a talent and coaching perspective.  One of the more loaded defenses in the NFL. 

All I'm saying is everybody who has been gushing over Bryce Young had damn well better hope he delivers. This team is absolutely built and ready to go the playoffs right now.  We don't need to be building excuses in for him before his first start when everyone has been crowning him as the second coming of Peyton Manning from a mental perspective.  

that team doesn't exist anymore, nor does that schedule exist against teams that no longer exist.  We weren't a good football team.  That wasn't good football being played.   

Peyton Manning went 3-13 as a rookie.   Just because you are mentally ahead of other QBs entering the league doesn't mean you are a win now football team. 

[rebelrouser]

We could have kept Rhule until the end of the season and had the number one pick.  We are looking at a long rebuild. The benefits of sucking in '23 will go to Chicago. We will be filling multiple holes w/ minimal draft picks. Tepper is the worst owner in the league. He should be doing the opposite of what he thinks since every decision he  makes is bad. 

[CRA]

8 minutes ago, rebelrouser said:

We could have kept Rhule until the end of the season and had the number one pick.  We are looking at a long rebuild. The benefits of sucking in '23 will go to Chicago. We will be filling multiple holes w/ minimal draft picks. Tepper is the worst owner in the league. He should be doing the opposite of what he thinks since every decision he  makes is bad. 

Tepper is George Constanza.  Hopefully he has the same epiphany

 

[Sgt Schultz]

I don't think they expected the team to roll a 6-6 after they sent The Process packing.  They were probably thinking things would get better, but not that much better.  I think the most wildly optimistic  would have expected 4-13 or 5-12 at that point, had they had any sense of reality.

Had they followed the coaching change and CMC trade by trading Burns, that may have put us near the #1 pick.  Not that I believe Burns was the difference between a 3 or 4 win season and 7, but it would have sent a loud and clear message to the rest of the team.

The problem with following up with a 6-6 is it can create some unrealistic expectations going forward, as we have seen.  And let's face it: that 6-6 was not against the toughest opponents the NFL had to offer.  Between that and a lousy division, there is some pyrite being rushed to the assayer's office.  ]

We aren't at ground zero, but we also aren't a mere game from challenging the Eagles for the Owl berth last year, either.

[Camp Fodder]

5 hours ago, Chief Keek said:

Sounds like Fitterer is trying to keep his seat from getting too hot. Rhule's gone now so this year will be a good indicator.

The Burns situation is not helping

[DeAngelo Beason]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

that team doesn't exist anymore, nor does that schedule exist against teams that no longer exist.  We weren't a good football team.  That wasn't good football being played.   

Peyton Manning went 3-13 as a rookie.   Just because you are mentally ahead of other QBs entering the league doesn't mean you are a win now football team. 

Correct.  That team doesn't exist anymore. A substantially more talented, more well-coached one does instead.

[CRA]

2 minutes ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

Correct.  That team doesn't exist anymore. A substantially more talented, more well-coached one does instead.

substantially more talented is debatable.  We also are installing brand new scheme across the board on both sides of the ball..... and are trotting out a rookie QB. 

and while better coached, coached by a slow starter even when he has a vet under center. 

this is now a win now team and that i sbologna to put that on Young.  

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, rebelrouser said:

We could have kept Rhule until the end of the season and had the number one pick.  We are looking at a long rebuild. The benefits of sucking in '23 will go to Chicago. We will be filling multiple holes w/ minimal draft picks. Tepper is the worst owner in the league. He should be doing the opposite of what he thinks since every decision he  makes is bad. 

That would have been a big "screw you" to Steve Wilks.

He may not have earned the head coaching job here, but he did at least deserve the chance to do so.